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the story behind the story of how the media really works how the news gets made and how all of us can help make it better this our Bernie Sanders campaign manager is standing by we're talking about media bias plus two journalists who helped spark these incredible protests in Puerto Rico Houston the governor they're also coming up David Zurich Amanda carpenter April Ryan and many more but let's begin with the one constant of the Trump years there are always more tweets this weekend racist messages raging from the president's Twitter feed his attacks on Baltimore congressman Elijah Cummings and the 700,000 residents of Maryland's seventh district there are six things going on at the same time I want to tell you all six number one the tweets are part of a pattern of racism displayed by Trump for several decades number two the tweets are factually inaccurate in several ways number three they are the result of Trump getting distorted information from his friends at Fox News those friends are actually doing him a disservice number four the tweets are a petty response to democratic oversight of Trump by Democrats like Cummings number five they are a distraction from other important issues maybe Trump distracts on purpose maybe doesn't do it on purpose either way they're a distraction but number six racist and ridiculous stereotyping of a part of the country is damaging to the country as a whole and that must be covered and it must be covered that way even if it's distracting once again everyday Trump posing challenges for the press I think what media outlets should not do is just put Trump's hateful rants in the headline and then move on that's just stenography instead I think we should start somewhere else we should start with what is true let's start with the map of the actual seventh district now I'm a Marylander so I used to live nearby went up to school here in Towson so this is the district that Cummings represents it includes farmlands in Baltimore in Howard County it covers the Johns Hopkins University campus in Baltimore it covers a lot of Baltimore actually it includes a beautiful neighborhoods throughout the city it also includes some urban areas like Ellicott City and Columbia it also includes parts of Baltimore City that are struggling and have been struggling for a long time Baltimore City is complicated some parts are well-off some parts are struggling there are pockets that feel absolutely abandoned once you've seen all of the seventh District then it's time to report on what Trump said he said on Twitter on Saturday no human being would want to live here in this rodent infested mess he called the district disgusting and said that may be coming should spend more time in that filthy place he's saying go back to where you live even though Cummings sleeps there all the time once you've addressed the tweets the big questions for newsrooms are where did this come from who's telling Trump this stuff how did it get this distorted impression of the 7th district well the answer has is us often the case is right on Fox News this is what was on Fox & Friends in the 6:00 a.m. hour on Saturday there was this clip of Cummings questioning the Homeland Security Secretary about conditions at the border then Fox brought in a guest named Kimberly Clark who went to impoverished parts of West Baltimore and made videos of trash slots and ruined row homes Fox called her a Republican strategist they've caught her that for more than a year now but there is no evidence that she's ever been employed by a campaign she did run for a local County GOP position and lost last year so they call her a Republican strategist maybe because she wrote right-wing blog posts for this website for a while then she started getting booked on TV again and again again as a so-called strategist on the hill and on Fox and other shows her LinkedIn profile pointedly says she's a commentator quote not under contract which means she's going on Fox for free earlier this month she decided to take on Cummings by making web videos about Baltimore's rundown neighborhoods but I tell you all this to explain here is where the president is getting his information clackett was booked on Fox again on Saturday the president was watching and then an hour later he tweeted but first listen to what she said on Fox there is a crisis at the border but there's also a crisis in Baltimore and I don't think many people realize this but congressman Cummings it that's the most dangerous district in America she went on to use words that Trump would parrot basically exactly watch there's a band in row homes too filled with trash homeless addicts empty needles that they have used and it's really right next door so it's attracting rodents cockroaches you name it the videos are real but they're not even Fox's videos they're relying on an unpaid guest to win in the neighborhoods talk to people because she wants to support Trump and tear down Cummings and all of this happens and then Trump tweets an hour later he tweets about a woefully incomplete view of Cummings district with clearly racist connotations and all of a sudden this spat is national news and she was thrilled classic wrote the president saw my work this just made my day her Twitter feed has all the usual pro-trump banter I get it she's a up-and-coming conservative commentator she wants attention I sent her several questions asking about our GOP strategist title and about how she got on Fox yesterday and she declined to answer she told me she's just trying to help Baltimore so she certainly helped somebody she certainly helped Trump so to cover Trump's racist tweets I think you've got to start with those facts you've got to start with where the information came from you've got to address why it was coming on why was Fox doing this segment in the first place and then you've got to address well here what the Baltimore Sun put right on the front page this is this morning's Baltimore front design it says Cummings is a central figure in the almost daily battle with President Trump over access to documents and officials testimony that's really the story here right that's really what's going on Trump trying to knock down an opponent knock down accountability and finding this segment on Fox this up-and-coming conservative commentator to help them do it but here's the problem there's actually several problems one of the problems is that Trump is getting a distorted view of the country from what he sees on a right-wing talk-show this content then fuels his racist tendencies and his never-ending campaign continues but enough for me let's bring in two Baltimore residents with media analysis Baltimore Sun Media Craig David Zurich and Emeric radio networks White House correspondent April Ryan April's in Detroit for our debate coming up David's in Baltimore so first question to you David how should the press be covering these kinds of tweets well I think listen Brian I think one of the good things one of the bright spots are really amid the sickness and misery of the president's tweets yesterday is the response from the press from a lot of different quarters I thought Victor Blackwell just nailed with an honest hell heartfelt moving response to the president and I'm glad you held up the front page I mean I'm not being a Homer here I'm glad you held up the front page of The Baltimore Sun because that piece went out there and it went to the different parts of the reporter went to the different parts of the district they went out to Sparks which is an upscale area of horse country yeah well area district yeah yeah exactly and so MF wealthy a lot of money out there and somebody a priest I think at at a coffee stand said well we don't have a lot of rats we don't see a lot of rats but we have some very cute country mice I mean even that kind of quote from a real person knocks down the president and the ridiculous Bratton he didn't have to do actual research all he had to do was look at the wiki map of the district to see what was going on and so and then we had a editorial and the son had me and then reporters and columnist and photographers from around the country got together on Twitter and politicians and tweeted truths about Baltimore you know I saw you on with Anna Cabrera yesterday afternoon and you took talked about the seven does any of it matters it is can you actually meet Trump with facts or does that actually matter at all I'm not sure facts matter in this debate well Brian I think if you have facts with moral outrage and I think that's what scares Trump about congressman Cummings the moral outrage he voices from that pulpit he has on the Oversight Committee it really is it's a combination of Old Testament righteousness and the voice the voices of the civil rights movement that this nation once responded to with an act of social conscience which I think people like Trump and his followers are trying to still in this era and when we hear that voice as when after the my at the end of the Michael Cohen hearing when when congressman Cummings lashed out about the kind of crookedness the kind of lawlessness of this administration I think that has a real impact look as journalists you know I wrote yesterday some days I think I don't have an ounce of vitriol left to deal with this man but then he comes up with something like this and we respond we can't ignore him you want to ignore him because he's a sick person who even when we denounce him he's happy because at least we noticed something he thinks he's controlling things and he's important is important as the president in the United States but as you think an emotion affects you think ignoring the tweets is not an option we cannot do it anymore god I want a God every time I see one I want to ignore we can improv what do you think we had is it possible April to ignore the tweets or do you agree with David well let me say this as a White House correspondent I cover everything presidential so I cannot ignore the tweets even though I want to anything he says one Twitter or from a press release through whatever press secretary has today or tomorrow you have to look at that as the official word of the leader of this nation for this president to target a city after listening to a very young journalist who I don't know and I've lived in Baltimore all my life it doesn't mean I know everyone in Baltimore but those in Baltimore talk to you they don't know it and I've searched I even I even reached out to congressman Cummings this morning who was in church while I was texting him he says no he doesn't know her it's irresponsible for the president and irresponsible for this journalist not to look at the full scope to bring all sides that one piece of the district yes Baltimore is an area a community that has pockets of poverty pockets of wealth pockets of people who are just trying to make it impacts of people who are unemployed underemployed people who are just looking for a better way of life and as the leader of the free world as the President of the United States you're supposed to reach back to help instead of chiding and chastising and then and then look at you just because you're mad about congressman Elijah Cummings wanting to find the truth about your lies about your ten episodes of obstruction of justice and possible impeachment take the higher ground as Mitch McConnell tried to tell him to do before and all he thought it was meaning you know take go higher he thought it was going the president thought it was going to hit someone in the Senate know take the higher ground when you reach down you reach down to help someone and and Brian and and you know that you've been in the border you you you went to school in the Baltimore area yeah you know what Baltimore looks like now here's the next piece this young reporter actually has done the president a disservice because the president's son-in-law Jared Kushner and his family allegedly have homes in Baltimore and they're being called slumlords so this report is now peeling back the onion and it's stinking and it part of the problem maybe the son-in-law of the president's family that's helped with West Baltimore so the president may want to pull back from this a bit do you think there's something the pressure should be doing differently when covering these these moral calamities this kind of racism is an American tragedy I don't know that a normal typical news story can convey what's going on April a normal story cannot convey what's going on but you know this blight did not just happen and if you remember you know we were a city that that was thriving people who didn't have college degrees were able to work at places like Bethlehem Steel and get great jobs once Bethlehem Steel and other manufacturers pulled out of Baltimore the blight began and it never recovered Baltimore now is imagined edie city meaning Medical Johns Hopkins the number one employer education is is right up there with it but beyond that with what's left Baltimore has some real issues when it comes to job training a lot of major corporations are not wanting to come to Baltimore why because they feel some people are not tradable but when is that where does that lead it leads to the President of the United States coming in with a plan an urban renewal plan and issued job creation plan he likes to talk about all the black unemployment rate is so low will come to Baltimore and fix it their target Baltimore target Flint's target Philadelphia talking a lot of these urban areas instead of holding your nose up and looking down at them the issue is it's in the news now mr. president what are you going to do to really be present and show that you are the leader to help people power means service when are you gonna serve Baltimore David I only have 30 seconds left but you live in Cummings District I keep thinking to myself the president's not watching this conversation he's only watching what he's seen on Fox so nothing's gonna change well Brian I think you did a great job at the top of of to coffee no David information he's golfing right now he's not watching he's golfing the president's hearing this distorted view on Fox he's watching we're not believe does he does sometimes watching and that's true he does he does Brian we're not gonna correct him he's not gonna change he's so far down this road of evil he's not going to change we can change voters Minds for 2020 that's what we can do if we keep speaking forcefully and we talk about morality journalists do not talked enough about morality because we think people will think we're biased no we need to keep talking about it because we have an immoral president and administration right now David Zurich hey Ryan thank you so much David's calm is up on the Baltimore Sun website and we're gonna show you the Baltimore Suns editorial later this hour after a quick break here media bunkers of nature President Trump said during the Muller hearings this week he's right about that but Americans are so deeply split about what's true one who tells the truth that it can feel like we're all in Bunker's that this week's mother hearings reinforced to the idea that there's a bunker mentality so many viewers so many readers living in these bunkers reinforced by facebook algorithms and other social media effects so let's dissect what's going on here and and what the impact of these bunkers are the author of The New Yorker columns a letter from Trump's Washington Susan glasses with me and here in New York New York Times immigration reporter Caitlin Dickerson and New Yorker staff writer Andrew Marantz who has a book coming out in October titled antisocial so online extremists techno utopians and the hijacking of the american conversation we will get to hijacking in a moment but Susan first to you what was your takeaway from the Muller hearings did it feel like we were watching two Americas having two different hearings at the same time well certainly it was probably zero intersection literally zero intersection between the questions asked by the Republicans to Robert Muller and those asked by Democrats Republicans are deep into conspiracy theories rabbit holes investigating the investigators Democrats on the other hand hoping to bring the Muller report to life in a hearing with a with a very taciturn witness who wasn't very cooperative with either Democrats or Republicans and yet afterwards essentially each side proclaimed vindication each side proclaimed that they had somehow won the day both things cannot of course be true and it's just it's just a very very depressing moment where instead of the kind of independent facts that we reporters and journalists value I think people are just playing even facts as a team sport as a partisan team sport in America today you mentioned the conspiracy theories let's look at what Sean Hannity was suggesting some of the questions he was suggesting for the Republican congressman and then look at what they actually asked Justin Cooper didn't he smash Clinton's blackberry devices Justin Cooper a Clinton aide who destroyed one of Clinton's mobile devices well you aware that much of the application was based on Steele's unverified dossier and when were you aware of it when did you become aware that the unverified steel dossier was included in the FISA applications Sean Hannity has been called the shadow chief of staff at the White House he was a shadow congressman this week so Andrew who successfully hijacked the conversation and what does that even mean yeah he was also kind of a shadow press secretary so there's there's this idea that we're all kind of having this unified national conversation the top stories are going to be the top stories for everyone the interpretation will be the same that's obviously been shattered that's not true at all anymore and you saw Congress members like Matt gates Devon Nunez who were clearly able to curve the reality sphere such that even if mainstream outlets weren't repeating their claims verbatim they were kind of eff their narrative was swayed by it so they said oh that hearing was low-energy it didn't move the ball forward on impeachment and that gets echoed in mainstream papers and you see a lot of mainstream journalists saying you know I wish we could talk more about substance but the national conversation isn't headed in that direction and it almost becomes this self-perpetuating prophecy there was a lot of criticism of reporters focusing on the optics of the hearing but Susan the optics did matter I think what did you think the optics matter yeah look I'm glad you brought that up I mean you know I understand this critique Andrew but at the same time I have to say like first of all what is the purpose of a televised hearing if not to elucidate and inform both the members of Congress and the public that's watching it you can do that either by adding the effects and information to the record which Bob Miller said in advance he wasn't going to do or by providing a compelling or engaging account or you know illuminating it in some other way I don't think there was anything really significantly changing for either Democrats or Republicans about this hearing but you know to hear many Democrats many critics of the president tell it they're so upset at the idea that Bob Muller wasn't proven to be the the mo fantastic witness we have to be able to look at the situation as it is and be that doesn't mean that you know by pointing this out you're making an equivalence between the monumental and I say monumental lying about the hearing that you've seen from President Trump himself from his defenders what they have been saying since the hearing is an extraordinary revision of the reality of the hearing but that doesn't mean that Bob Miller was a great witness just because Donald Trump has been lying about what was in the hearing multiple things true at the same time and let's look at the ratings for the hearing I think this graphic shows Trump fatigue in four lines you see the James coma hearings two years ago the Cavanaugh hearing last year 20 million viewers Muller only 13 million viewers during the day on the big networks I think that's a sign of Trump fatigue it's also a sign that Muller was not an incredible witness so I talked about these ratings on CNN and Stephen Colbert called me out you can't determine the value of Mullins if that were the case then Avengers endgame would be President of the United States I think he's right you can't judge the value you can judge maybe impact of these hearings based on the ratings so let's pivot from the ratings to another story this week that I think needs to be noticed and kalynn this is right up your alley is an immigration reporter at The Times the president was talking and talking talking about these ice rates immigration raids are gonna target families or in a country illegally the report was there going to be two thousand migrants targeted how many were actually arrested about thirty five and what does this tell us about the media ecosystem that the president was out there hyping this and pro-trump talk shows were out there quite excited I dare say about these raids that didn't materialize so let's put the results of the raids into context first of all the idea that the president would be tweeting about the total number of targets that were going to be pursued by ice agents probably wasn't the best idea because in a typical ice raid you only actually see 20% of people roughly who ultimately arrested Isaac and so to talking about the total number sort of set you up in the very beginning to the bar where do all a disappointing result but of course then talk about it had this added effect of making more and more people aware and I think that actually the effects of people not answering their doors may have been a little overstated because I think that ever since Donald Trump was elected president the undocumented community has known not to answer their door when ice comes knocking the difference this time was that people knew exactly when ice was coming and so ice wasn't able to take advantage of people when they walk outside and they go to work or they go to take their kids to school people didn't do that they hunkered down inside and I think that's why you saw their really abysmal numbers so Trump's warnings did have an effect they didn't still fear but they didn't actually result in a lot of arrests and I guess my concern is will the folks that heard about the the alleged plans for the raids then hear about the result you know that's always the question is there enough follow up on these stories well I think they may hear about the results but I also don't want to overstate those because what happened was ice agents were given across the country lists of targets to pursue they found out where these people live they found out what their routines were they surveilled them in some cases and those lists still exist so even though in that one weekend many people were not arrested ice agents will continue to go after these families this is their job so we also don't want to say look nobody was arrested everybody can relax because immigration enforcement happens every day right everybody thank you very much please stand by Pius coming from the left here's a headline from the AP this week it says Bernie Sanders thinks the media is unfair so he's created his own yes the Sanders campaigns new web show is called the 99 it's streaming on Facebook and YouTube and other sites one recent episode asked is Bernie too consistent for the consistent for the corporate media interesting question this is all part of a wider strategy all the campaigns are churning out lots and lots of content including the Sanders campaign they're on YouTube but the Cirrus campaign says they are doing it because many reporters not all but many find Bernie annoying and discount his seriousness tensions between the Sanders camp and MSNBC have been especially high you might think those would be natural allies so let's find out more about these media biased complaints joining the joining me now is the campaign manager for Sanders 20/20 faster Kier great to see you oh you're in Detroit you're getting ready for the debate we're two days away do you have expectations for the debate versus NBC's debates were there problems with NBC other than those technical glitches for example Brian I'm gonna make a radical comment this isn't a criticism of CNN it's really a criticism of the media environment but I believe these debates tend to make the American people stupider they're performative theater and we don't end up having the conversations that people affect people's lives so I don't have super high expectations I think we're gonna try to go through it and answer the questions that respond to Donald Trump's tweets and all those kinds of things but at the end of the day this isn't I think how you win a campaign how do you win a campaign then because you all been complaining a lot about the media coverage don't you need journalists to be out there on the trail with Sanders covering the campaign you Brian you know this well that Bernie Sanders talks to journalists all the time he talked to Rachel Maddow talks to George Stephanopoulos was meeting with a number of media outlets even this week on Jimmy Kimmel and others getting the message out but ultimately at the end of the day we know when we understand where a campaign that's built out of taking on power taking on established power arguing is the corruption of the political system the economic system in many cases the media system and so in order to get that particular message out you got to go directly to voters and that's why you hear us trying to build these media channels talking directly to people and Sanders has been doing that for decades you know going back to his days in Burlington with publics at public access TV the difference now is he can reach a lot more people on YouTube what is the the heart of the critique about what Sanders calls the corporate media what do you want people like me to do differently well Brian this isn't a personal commentary on you or any other journalist there's many wonderful talented journalists out there but in about you know minute or so or two minutes or so you're going to cut to commercial breaks and you're going to see some pharmaceutical ads you're going to see a lot of ads that are that are basically paying your bills in the bills of of this the entire media enterprise and what that ends up doing is incentivizing you and others to make sure that you're asking the questions and driving the conversations in certain areas and not in certain areas right now you know Bernie sure has done so half of that what evidence do you have it that I don't actually know what ads run during the breaks I actually don't see the commercials I don't know what hey and I'd already saw I've reached out to Phil Griffin the head of MSNBC and I'm happy to talk to Jeff Zucker and others it isn't about you Brian but about how these media structures are set and operated and the biases that I believe are in embedded within them about the segment's worthy right are hovering and what aren't so what do you think if you're not being covered that needs to be covered more what are those topic areas well I mean one one classic area of course is you know we're going across the border right now to talk about prescription drugs do you know why you pay so much more ten times more in American on prescription drugs than any other country does anyone know that or understand what do you know what the Trump administration is doing about that do you even know who the head of the Health and Human Services Secretary is do you know his background that he worked in the pharmaceutical industry I mean these like I think Donald Trump turns out these tweets and attempts to distract all of us and there isn't a basic conversation around the fact that he's betraying the working class by having selected a group a group of people to run his government who come from industry who benefit industry and that story is not told and why is that from the press don't you know all that from reporting no I that's not how I know it I've done my own research and we've got our own research to know I reading stories every time story segments yeah and I would argue to you and you know this well Brian the TV is a certain medium that has an influential power and I and I'm making more of a critique here of what media TV media decides to cover and it tends to be a game it tends to be a gotcha where I appreciate that Donald Trump's tweets are important and we'll have a conversation about that but it also belies a conversation that he doesn't want to have and and I think that that's what I think I you know me Bernie Sanders a lot of us feel ya gets obfuscated is that there's any viewers lives right many viewers agree with you did you have any objects of sensationalism it's a problem you know the question is whether it's I think effective for you all to call it out maybe it is Trump has won support from his fans by attacking the media maybe that's what you think will work as well yeah I mean so we're not playing a game here all right it is it is truly based out of conviction and sincerity that we do see biases operating against the campaign but also against the issues we care deeply about you rarely see pundits on TV talking about the value of Medicare all you see a lot of people criticizing Medicare for all you don't see the people talking about the value of canceling all student debt you see people criticizing it and why is that right just ask yourself it's you're taking on corporate power you're taking on the established you know establishment across the board and all we're arguing for is can we have a fair shake tell you what I'm gonna call an audible let's take a break because I do it to fit in a commercial but I want to bring you back if I can can you can you stay wit stay around for five minutes yes sir okay quick break more in a moment we are back now going to heading back to Detroit the site of CNN's debate on Tuesday and Wednesday Bernie Sanders campaign manager Patrick hear is back with me and we're just talking about media bias these media structures you know Bernie Sanders talked in 2016 and again these days about the corporate media what do you think is the primary issue with the corporate media in Sanders terms is it the focus on personality over issues yeah I think that's right Brian I think there tends to be over focus on personalities I'll concede that Bernie Sanders occasionally can be grumpy he can be agitated because he's upset about a system that's failing people and he gets frustrated about operating within the system that he doesn't believe is being conducted fairly and I think people read into that well you know either I just don't like him right I find him annoying or I find his moralism that hid the fact that he is criticizing established powers and those power structures as they are I find that to be a personal criticism so when a person goes on MSNBC and says he makes my skin crawl I mean what is that about I mean it's a personal criticism and I don't think it would be tolerated of any other candidate and I hope that MSNBC and other candidates or other networks are looking at themselves in the mirror and saying are we treating him as fairly as we would treat others hmm you know when I looked back at 2016 one of my regrets personally was that I didn't take Sanders seriously enough so I think a lot of this is about personal reflection let's always be thinking about what can we do better but at the same time lots of commentators are gonna say lots of dumb things between now and Election Day write fast yeah well I I mean I appreciate you saying that Bryan and I also would say that one of the reason I think that media ended up enabling Donald Trump you again not you personally but in general because it played his game I worry that we're going down that road again and I think that the reason that you know certain candidates have appeal I think the Bernie Sanders has an appeal Donald Trump has a certain appeal

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  1. So sad . How thisPresident attack racist . Worst man in the earth. God bless people of theAmerica .World is getting sick and tied of him. 🙏🙏🙏

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