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KILLING JOKE: Did Batman Kill Joker? || Comic Misconceptions || NerdSync

– Batman: The Killing Joke
is one of the most well-known and influential stories about the Dark Knight and the
Clown Prince in DC’s history. It’s a legendary story that has led fans to create countless myths and theories about how and why it was made, why it’s called The Killing Joke, as well as what happens during
those mysterious last panels. Many people believe that
Batman kills the Joker at the end of the story,
straight up murders him. Also spoilers for a 30-year-old comic. But today I wanna show
you why that famous theory as fun and interesting as it might be, is most likely wrong. (heavy metal music) (sirens) If you’ve never read The Killing Joke, you really should. It was written by Alan Moore with beautiful artwork by Brian Bolland. Here’s a quick recap that definitely does not do the comic book justice. The Joker has once again
escaped from Arkham Asylum and he heads to the home
of Commissioner Jim Gordon where he shoots Jim’s daughter and recently retired
Batgirl, Barbara Gordon. Joker then kidnaps the
Commissioner and sends him through a terrifying and
mentally scarring funhouse designed specifically to break Jim’s mind simply to prove a point. “All it takes is one bad day
to reduce the sanest man alive “to lunacy.” – Madness, as you know, is like gravity. All it takes is a little push. – [Scott] Intercut within the story are glimpses into Joker’s origin, or at least supposed origin. He keeps the truth of it vague stating, “Sometimes I remember it one way, “sometimes another. “If I’m going to have a past, “I prefer it to be multiple choice.” Which is interesting considering the recent
revelation in comics that there’re actually
three different Jokers, but we’ll get back to that later. The ending of The Killing Joke
is what’s shrouded in legend. Batman rescues Gordon,
confronts the Joker, and pleads with him to just stop, accept Batman’s help
and get rehabilitated. They’re on the path of
mutually assured destruction. Joker responds by telling a joke, a joke that represents their
relationship as two lunatics, one trying to help the
other by offering solutions that won’t ever actually work. They’re locked in eternal conflict, destined to do this forever. Joker becomes hysterical, laughing uncontrollably at his own joke. After a bit Batman joins him. The two figure are cackling into the night as police cars roll up onto the scene. Batman reaches out for the Joker. The camera tilts down and suddenly the laughter stops, the rain continues to pour, and the comic ends. Now, many people have theorized that the last few panels
clearly show Batman reaching out for Joker’s throat and either strangling
him or snapping his neck. The Dark Knight finally
kills his greatest enemy. This theory was even popularized by a comic writer Grant Morrison on Kevin Smith’s Fat
Man on Batman podcast. – [Voiceover] Batman kills the Joker. That’s why it’s called The Killing Joke. The Joker tells the
killing joke at the end, Batman reaches out, grabs
his neck and breaks it. And the laughter stops. Actually abruptly stops, which tells you he’s just
reached out and killed him. It’s really obvious if
you look back at it. – Now, you might be thinking, “But Batman doesn’t kill. “Why would he break his one rule now?” And that’s a fair question that Morrison has an answer for. According to this theory, The Killing Joke was supposed to be the final Batman story, the last battle between the Caped Crusader and the Crown Prince of Crime. Throughout the story Batman even talks about their eternal
struggle is destined to end with one of them killing the other. “I’ve been thinking lately. “About you and me. “About what’s going to
happen to us in the end. “We’re going to kill
each other, aren’t we? “Perhaps you’ll kill me. “Perhaps I’ll kill you. “Perhaps sooner. “Perhaps later.” According to Morrison,
this comic is supposed to represent that idea. – [Voiceover] This is the
last Batman-Joker story, this is the inevitable end,
this is the killing joke. It says it in the title. – [Voiceover] Alan Moore secretly wrote the last Batman story. – [Voiceover] Of course he did. – This is why fans have accepted
Batman breaking his rule and killing the Joker. Because this story is
supposed to represent the final conflict between them. The story where Batman breaks down, does what needs to be done, and finally puts an end to the Joker. This theory also hinges on the idea that The Killing Joke
was never intended to be in continuity. It was meant to be an elseworld story, set in an alternate reality. This is another reason
why it was okay for Batman to kill the Joker, because
DC would never actually kill him off in their main universe. Joker stories sell comics. It’s just an alternate
reality, Joker that’s dead. The real one is still very much alive. However, the popularity of
the book basically forced DC to make it a part of their main continuity meaning Joker couldn’t actually be dead. Thankfully Alan Moore left
the ending vague enough that DC could say, “Nah, Joker’s fine.” Although this theory does state that it was always Moore’s intention that Batman definitely
murdered the Clown Prince. It was just never supposed to count as a part of the main DC universe. Pretty convincing theory, right? When you look back over the comic, it definitely looks like it’s the case, and given all the other information about how it was supposed to
be an alternate universe story, this theory seems to hold up. Except, this is awkward, but almost all of that stuff I said is completely wrong. Let’s take a look at what
this theory hinges on. Number one. Alan Moore intended on
Batman killing the Joker. That’s what this panel is showing. Number two. Batman breaks his “no killing rule” because this is meant to
be the last Batman story. And number three. Killing Joke was supposed to be set in an alternate reality, but DC later adopted it
into the main DC continuity. And let’s actually start
with that last point. Was The Killing Joke really meant to be an elseworld story? Nope. It was always meant to
be in DC’s main universe from day one. We know this because of Barbara
Gordon’s role in this story. You know how The Killing Joke movie starts with the first half being a story about Batgirl’s last
mission before she retires. You might have thought it
felt a little out of place. Like the movie was padding for time. But it was ever so loosely
based on a Batgirl special comic that was published specifically
to help set up the story in The Killing Joke. You see The Killing Joke
took years to be finished mostly due to Brian Bolland being a slow and detailed artist. During that time the higher ups in DC knew that Moore was planning
on injuring Barbara and they were totally fine with that. Moore recalled in an interview
with Wizard magazine, “I asked DC if they
had any problem with me “crippling Barbara Gordon –
who was Batgirl at the time – “and if I remember, I spoke to Len Wein, “who was our editor on the project.” This was reportedly his response. I’m not going to read it out loud. The point is DC knew. They just needed to make sure that all of Barbara’s current
storylines were finished so there wouldn’t be any loose ends when the Joker pulled the trigger. DC called up Barbara Kesel, who at the time was the last person who had written a Batgirl story, and they asked her to
write up that special one-shot comic book
specifically for closure. With the end of the
issue seeing Babs retire from crime fighting. The idea was to finish the
Batgirl chapter of Barbara’s life specifically because they knew more was going to severely
injure her in Killing Joke. DC had planned from the
start for Killing Joke to be in their main continuity. Not an alternate reality, not an elseworld story. Killing Joke was always meant to count. This also means that it
wasn’t intended to be seen as the last Batman story. It wasn’t supposed to be
the final confrontation between him and the Joker, it was simply supposed to be another story and to continue entails of Batman. So the idea that we can let
Bats break his “no killing rule” because it’s the end of
their journey as characters doesn’t really apply here. Plus there’s no evidence
to support the idea that Alan Moore intended for
Batman to kill Joker anyway. If you read his really detailed
script of that last page, he doesn’t write that Batman
reached out for Joker’s neck to harm him in any way. In fact, for this specific
panel Moore writes, “They are now both helpless with laughter “and have collapsed
forward onto each other, “both ragged and bloody,
each holding each other up “as they stand there clinging
together in the rain.” Not Batman attacking Joker, just the two men embracing
in shared laughter. And if you think that’s boring, so does Alan Moore. He once said in an interview
regarding The Killing Joke, a comic I’ll remind you
that he himself wrote, “I don’t think it’s a very good book. “It’s not saying anything
very interesting.” If he had intended on Joker
being killed by Batman, I think at the very least that would be something interesting. But the comic ends with the
same panel it starts on, a visual indicator that
nothing has changed. Besides, if DC knew from
the start that Killing Joke was going to be in continuity, would they really let
Alan Moore kill off Joker? My money says no. And the fact that Joker has
popped back up in comics after the story seems to
indicate that Batman really didn’t kill him. This theory sounds pretty flawed. You could argue that
there’re now three Jokers. Maybe Batman really did kill one of them and every appearance of
the Clown Prince since has been a different Joker. But that’s a very recent
development in comics. And if it were true,
it’d be more of a retcon and not something Alan
Moore deliberately planned. But I want to make something clear here. I’m not saying that you can’t interpret Joker dying at the hands of Batman simply because Moore didn’t
explicitly write that. We’ll discuss the relevance
of authorial intent in a future video. All that I’m saying right now is that part of Morrison’s theory and a common misconception
about The Killing Joke is that Moore intended for
Batman to murder Joker. Based off the script and more
sentiments about the story, I don’t think we can say that’s true. It’s simply speculation. If you want to believe that Joker did die, that is your prerogative and I’m certainly not gonna
take that away from you. Feel free to interpret
the story anyway you want. Personally I think there’re
way more interesting and convincing theories surrounding the ending of
the classic Batman story, and we’ll talk about one of them in part two of this three-part
saga into The Killing Joke in a few weeks. Yes, three videos about this one comic. Probably four. I don’t know. Make sure you subscribe
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the instant we publish them. You’re not gonna wanna miss part two. It might change the way you
read this classic story. In the meantime, I’d love to know what you guys think about all this. Do you still believe in
Grand Morrison’s theory despite the flawed evidence? Am I leading the question? Probably. Do you have your own theory about the ending of Killing Joke? Let me know your thoughts
in the comments below. Thanks so much for watching. My name is Scott, reminding you to read between the panels and grow smarter through comics. See ya.

100 thoughts on “KILLING JOKE: Did Batman Kill Joker? || Comic Misconceptions || NerdSync

  1. And your answer is……


  2. Or Batman turned out to be insane. The song from suicide squad trailer (can't remember the original band), it goes "i started a joke, but if I has only seen the joke was on me."
    Batman started the joke, and he now sees the funny side: He is the crazy one.

  3. They were both laughing. Batman didnt say he wouldnt kill joker, he said he would try not to. The police would not turn off their headlights, unless there was no trouble.. In the jokers joke, the asylum is also not literal. They are not both insane, maybe they are escaping grief? Life? They dont like living normal lives. The batman is not afraid of falling, etc failing, because he never does. But joker does all the time. Joker knows his family dies because of batman, but does batman? Why does everyone say he snapped his neck?? if you choked someone, they wont make a sound, especially if you are strong a batman. There are many dc universes and different versions, if not then why not throw joker over a cliff etc. like batman does early on. There were many jokers. Maybe this wasnt the first one he absolutely had kill. Just had to make sure they wouldnt rejoin as a robin.

  4. I never understood WHY Batman could not just see reality and kill the Joker as the exception to the rule. One killing does not mean one HAS to keep on. That is absurd. In fact, it does not even reflect reality, it is the writing intended to continue a story.

  5. Guh…if it weren't for Grant Morrison messing around and starting this silly theory a few years ago, nobody would ever have thought Batman killed the Joker in those last panels. I was in high school when this book came out…and not a single person I knew who read it, or myself, came to the conclusion that Bats killed Joker. He's simply leaning up against the Joker as they both laugh their asses off. The cop car shows up. Joker puts his hand out in a "handshake" gesture. Bats puts Joker in, and it drives off.
    And people are taking the name "Killing Joke", literally. A killing joke is a term comedians use. It's a joke that really gets the audience rolling at their stand up performances. The "Killing Joke," here, is the one the Joker tells at the end about the two escaped inmates, and it gets Joker and Bats laughing.
    It's just hard to wrap my head around how, 30 years ago, we totally understood the context of that scene, and nowadays, it's swamped with these conspiracy theories.
    And here is a link to the actual script. Sorry…Joker doesn't die.

  6. I think Morrison meant that Moore did the last story of Batman secretly, and that's why he left the ending vague.

  7. I believe that this story takes place in an alternate future where this means that this is the end of the road in that universe between joker and Batman hence why joker remembers different origin stories and this ties in into the joker super sane therory where he knows he's in a comic much like Deadpool except he knows about the different universes that's why others see him as insane and that's why he says in the comic life has no rhyme and rhythm.

    Now the joke is joker realizes it doesn't matter because it's not the main continuity (in this theory) because all joker's are "super sane.
    now Batman had the bad day like joker but escaped from insanity so he just believes joker is insane that's why I believe that when people say joker and Batman are the same person I laugh because they may be similar but are far from being the same now if u wanna see that super sane therory just search up joker super sane

  8. For those who believe the Bat killed Joker: even if Batty choked Joker, it could have been just until he passed out. Choking doesn't always kill, though there is a high likelihood of death resultant of choking. I just felt the need to point that out. Believe what you will, but also keep in consideration all the possibilities and facts.

  9. I've figured out this book. It is part of the main continuity and Batman did kill the Joker. Maybe.
    Remember when Joker said sometimes he remembers it one way, and sometimes he remembers it another. This story is an example of that. I believe this comic is told from the perspective of the Joker. He is telling past events and doesn't reveal what happened. That way we become the joker: sometimes we think of it one way sometimes we think of it another.
    So the killing joke did happen it's just up to us to decide how it ended.

  10. Joker must survive this "final" fight, because I remember a Batman cartoon movie, where they're at old age, at least Batman and the Joker dies at the end, but because both of them were in old age, I guess it's okay, a couple of years don't mean much. 😀

  11. I prefer the death of the Joker in Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker/ The Animated series Universe… I think it’s more epic, has a more twisted context, and is generally more fitting in my opinion….

    …although I do love the joke at the end of the Killing Joke, and I do understand the significance of the story, even to the Batman Beyond scene…

    Also I like the death in Arkham City… but in hindsight I feel like it was more the shock of him dying than how he actually died… but I love the effect it had on other characters in the world rather than doing the status quo thing

    Also also, Batman (1989) when Keaton’s Batman grapples him to a gargoyle but joker falls anyway, that’s pretty cool… I always got the impression if that didn’t happen then Keaton’s Batman was going to beat Joker to death anyway

  12. You know?, I read the killing joke in the 90s, when I reached the last page, a part of me said that that las scene looked like batman killed the joker, but the other part said that it was imposible, but now that I see this videos, I think that the author wanted to kill the joker and wanted us to know that he wanted to kill him, but since the joker was such important part of batman's universe, he was forbidden to do so.

  13. I like the theory where batman kills joker with the same gag button joker uses to kill the carnie guy in the beginning. Theres a video about it somewhere. The killing joke focuses heavily on hands. Alan moore pulled a slight of hand and killed the joker without dc execs even noticing.

  14. When batman laugh, the joker win. Batman fall into joker madness and kill. The joker wanted to prove that anyone can become as crazy as he is. As the joker stop laughing and batman continue… We just heard his last breath. Being murdered while laughing sounds pretty appropriate for the Joker.

  15. Very interesting video and theories.
    Personally, I never thought either character (Batman or the Joker) killed the other one at the end. Hey! Joker could be the last one standing too! After all, the theory about Batman almost being poisoned could be wrong, maybe the needle punctured his glove and skin (that's what Batman sees when he looks in his hand) and the poison just took more time to affect him than the poor amusement park owner. That could also explain why Batman starts laughing uncontrollably at the end.
    That being said, I always thought that the fact that first and last panels were the same was symbolic of the cycle not being broken.
    With that in mind (nothing has changed), it's difficult for the writer (Moore) to end this story; when they finish laughing, what's supposed to happen? Should they just shake hands, say "See you next time!" and go their own merry way, Batman disappearing in the darkness and the Joker returning to prison escorted by policemen? No, of course not. It's boring to show what happens next, so you just move "the camera" away, Batman and Joker still laugh (Ahahahahah), the police car gets nearer (weeeEEEEeeeee….), their laughs fade and the siren stops, we see a puddle of water, the raindrops and the silence. Everything returns to normal. The end.
    And that's exactly what the script says (see at 8 min 12 s of the video, last three lines of the script). Would Batman kill the Joker as the police were getting out of their cars? Of course not. And if Batman was dead at the feet of the Joker, I think Joker would continue laughing (though in a more insane way) or start crying. If either one was dead, the policemen would at least say something in the lines of "Call an ambulance!", "He killed him!" or "I think he's dead!", not revealing who's the victim.
    What is truly important to notice in the next-to-last panel is the reflection of light and its absence in the last panel, a reminder of the joke and a metaphor that the Joker didn't seize the opportunity to cross the beam of light and now it's gone.
    Good, efficient storytelling.

  16. I kind of thought batman killed joker because I saw something on google that claims it ends that way and I also thought after reading the comic and then seeing the movie the 2nd night it was at the theaters that batman killed joker because of that little talk batman has with the fake joker.

  17. Alsl if joker would've died he probably would've came back because joker always comes back everytime he dies except for the live action movies.

  18. Doesn't matter how much they want to retcon it now, people thinking Batman did not kill the Joker are missing the absolute beauty of it all. The poetry behind it.
    And of course the script doesn't say: "Batman kills joker"! XDDD That's not how a script works, it describes what you see, what has to be drawn, it's supposed to be vague, and the way it happens IS perfectly described, but you failed to show that part in your video, you couldn't be missing the point more if you tried.

  19. I thought the ending panel was symbolic of the 'light bridge' turning off and joker 'falling' to his death. But I never actually read the comic so I didn't know that was it's first page, and it makes more sense that it's showing nothing changed.

    Yeah. I realise I'm late to this discussion

  20. Personally, I think that you don't have to take "killing" so literally… it could be the joke that killed their conflict as opposed to killing Joker

  21. In the movie. The Joker stops laughing while Batman continues laughing. Is the movie proven that this tbeory is a fact ?

  22. See I think that Batman and the Joker laugh and then Batman tries to kill the Joker and comes very close but then he stops after the police come. This is a compromise for both.


  24. I believe this is just because western comics are supposed to go indefinitely and that's why they couldn't call this the end.

  25. Actually, I think that Batmin did kill the Joker in The Killing Joke.
    But not the living being, I mean the person that became the Joker is still alive.
    But he killed the Joker as a figure, as a character.

    What's the most outstanding feature of the Joker?
    I mean, besides his iconic face and hair?
    The Joker is remorseless, almost watching the world burn from his actions like a child would observe ants after stomping on an anthill.
    The Joker has no common sense, even dying sounds like something funny to live to him.

    And what happens at the end of the comic?
    Batman talks to the Joker, says that maybe he was part of what turned a poor man into this monster.
    He offers the Joker a helping hand.
    That's when the Joker, as a character, dies.
    The person under the Joker's permanent mask shows remorse.
    He refuses Batman's help, not because he's not interested but because it's too late for him, because he's beyond any hopes of redemption and there's no coming back to sanity for him.

    Just think of it: what would the true Joker have done at the point Batman offered him a helping hand?
    He would probably have laughed out loud with some punchline like: "Who's the only person who can genuinely think he can heal a lunatic? Another lunatic! HAHA!" or "Takes a bunch of fools to think they can figure me out but only takes one Batman to think he can fix me! HAHA!" or something like that and he would most probably have used this moment where Batman lowered his guard to try and attack him or do something.

    But no. He stops, talks seriously and we can clearly see sadness and remorse in this evil clown's face.
    In this scene, the true nature of the Joker died.
    Could also explain why Batman laughs with him. For once in his carreer he saw the man behind the grin.
    He knows he broke the Joker.

    So I think that, symbolic point of view, Batman killed the Joker.

    What do you think of this?

    By the way, sorry for my poor writing skills, English's definitely not my native language^^

  26. Batman did not kill Joker period. If the last panel shows Batman breaking or choking Joker's neck, there would be a cracking noise or gaging writen in words already. As Alan put it "they just simply sharing a laugh" Batman probably just give Joker a hug and put him back in the looney bin =)))

  27. The killing joke is that they both recognize what they could have become had they gone the other way. Their laughing is the first time they actually relate to each other on a personal level. They both have the capacity for the greater good or the worst evil. They chose their paths and after years of back and forth violence, they finally recognize themself in the other

  28. my theory with the movie's name "The Killing Joke" is that in end of the movie, Joker finally made Batman LAUGHT and in my eyes this is PROOF that Batman finally admit and aknowledge his own MADNESS that he have kept locked and hidden within a mask of coldness and logic.

    A madness that Batman have refused to aknowledge, because that would mean to admit that he and Joker are in a sense the same, they have both suffered from bad things happening to them.

    In joker's case he suffered from a lack of confidence and people who treated him badly (being kicked from his job and everything else) aside from his wife being the only one to treat him good until his breaking point was hit when his wife was killed in an accident together with his bath in chemical tank.

    In Batman case he saw his own parents being killed in front of his own eyes and no one seems to be bothered to bring him to a doctor to watch over his mentally stability from the shock and trauma of watching his own parents deaths and live throught the fact that his parents is dead and there was nothing he could do to stop it because he was to young when it happend. not to speak about the fact there was no way either he or his parents could have predicted that they would have been attacked that night that resulted in his parents deaths

  29. After hearing the part saying they fell onto each other laughing it does look more like Batman is leaning on Joker while laughing than attacking him to me

  30. Another piece of evidence that supports that the joker didn’t die is because when he appears in Death In The Family. Him and his goon discuss how before he went back into Arkham he crippled Barbra

  31. Am I the only one who thinks that the answer is so easy to get if you just ask Alan Moore himself? I mean, I dont know his personality and maybe he's not answering or is being too vague or didn't even know what the hell to write so he wrote this without having a specific ending. And i know he has probably been questioned about it, but why doesnt any article or video mention his response??

  32. A more convincing theory is not that he snapped the Joker's neck but killed the Joker with his own spike hand buzzer. This is what he looks at in his hand when knocked to the floor in the Hall of Mirrors. This is what he's pushing into the Joker's chest at the end. It's ambiguous though precisely because DC wouldn't have allowed it. What I find most convincing about this is – if it isn't true, what IS Batman looking at? Why is he pushing the Joker's chest? And most importantly, why does the laughter stop?

  33. You know, ive always thought of this as the last batman story, Mostly because of how it ends with laughter. It was just perfect to know that batman is still about his compassion(from time to time). And im suprised now that most people thought that batman killed joker. That still doesnt make any sense for me now, and you told us in the video why is that. Because it wasnt meant to be.

  34. Know when you think about it Batman need the joker because joker keep Batman on the road being a crime fighter I mean just killing joker off to me will feel like that man feel empty I don't know why I get pick up Batman and joker are such a good bit it's hard to see Batman not fighting the joker and joker such a fan favorite super villain it would not make sense for me to kill a joker I mean that my opinion my eyes there will always be a Batman and joker Good vs evil

  35. But in the movie joker told joke and both started laughing when jokers laugh stopped batmans still continued becouse joker started laughing before batman started to laugh so it was not so funny at the point joker stopped laughing but batman still was giggling for the joke. And in movie there wasnt any neck snap or choking sound that would be if it happened

  36. I strongly believe that the Joker killed himself. He pricked himself with the joker venom from his hand as he was telling his final joke.

  37. What if Batman was the one who died? He grabs on to the jokers shoulders using what strength he had left to stand up and then died from the killing joke. It’s not far off figuring it was mr Moore who wrote this. If he’s willing to cripple Barbara, mentally torture a nude commissioner Gordon then what makes people think Batman is so sacred and untouchable?

  38. Also if you look at Batman's arms or Joker's neck you can clearly see he isn't grabbing it, his hands aren't touching it, they aren't anywhere near it. He is clearly putting his hands on his shoulders

  39. i think they killed one another . thats what would make most sense to me …. its a shame they gave the middle finger to the fans and did it that way and did not show it, A LOT MORE ADULTS THEN kids like batman btw

  40. The cop car brakes but with the rain it doesn’t stop in time and kills both of them. My two cents.

  41. Might have been Bolland who read Moore's script and thought it would be better if joker dies at the end and so just drew it that way.

  42. yeah…..cus that's what batman does….he kills….like the punisher….cus batman and the punisher are the same, right? lord…zack snyder's influence on batman must be washed away. seriously.

  43. I think at the end, Batman and joker hug each other as DC still wanted the killing joke to be the final Batman story. So it would make sense for them to hug each other, Batman has always thought of joker as a pest but in the comic, he treats him like a human being, accepting him and they both embrace each other's sympathy as they lost a Lot in their past which plays right into Batman trying to help joker.

  44. I believe that Batman DOES kill the joker but not becouse he loses control, he does it for him. Batman decides to end this on-going cycle, not becouse he loses control, but becouse he understands joker's true misery. Therefore, he does what joker TRULY wants. None of them lose, really. Both of them know joker is too insane to be helped, and he wishes it would be different too. Joker doesn't want Batman to kill him in order to turn him into a killer anymore. In the end, he embraces their relationship and have s date, just like Batman does. Joker wants Batman to kill him becouse it really is the only way to stop the madness. Just like in the joke, Batman turns the light off halfway (that can be seen as a metaphor in the last pannels, where the light turns off). He tries to help joker, but just like a beam of light isn't able to make someone cross a gap, sanity isn't enough to help joker either. That's why Batman "turns off the light" (kills joker) anyway, putting joker out while they're both embracing the madness, one last time.while they're laughing at a last joke. A killing joke

  45. In the movie I think Batman kills joker by strangling him and killing him and Batman keeps laughing because he’s spent years with the joker and has finally snapped and went crazy

  46. I think the first and last pannels are the best argument for him not killing the Joker. It shows how the story repeats: nothing changes, they are eternally locked in confrontation. It can never end: that's what the killing joke is about: Joker can never be rehabilitated, and Batman will never kill him.

  47. For me Jack Napier is The Joker and of course the upcoming Joker movie is an Arthur Fleck Joker not Jack Napier

  48. The last panels show the light, drawing a line that desappears. That line has been shown first when Two Face appears, and a few panels later when Batman and the fake joker are sitting at the table. Figure it out

  49. I believe he did kill the joker because batman finally broke and went crazy which caused him to snap his neck think about it, joker is pretty much batmans own reflection both "freaks" to other people, both had their past taken away from them. Their pretty much the same person but joker let madness take him when he took off the red hood and laughs because it was all a joke to him. Batman protected himself from madness until he heard the joke that finally revealed to him that he and the joker were the same which caused him to laugh and go insane and thus snapping jokers neck, Therefore it was the killing joke.

  50. "Batman doesnt kill why would he break his rule"
    Golden age: am I a joke to you?

    Also he still could have killed joker since theres multiple. That being shown later doesnt matter

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