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Mel Robbins on Why Motivation Is Garbage | Impact Theory


Tom: Everybody welcome to Impact Theory. You are here because like me you believe that
human potential is nearly limitless but you know that having potential is not the same
as actually doing something with it. Our goal with this show and company is to
introduce you to the people and ideas that are going to help you actually execute on
your dreams. All right, today’s guest is one of the most
popular on air commentators and opinion writers for CNN and her unique brand of raw and relatable
advice has made her one of the most sought after speakers and media personalities. Watching her you get the feeling that this
mother of three is just getting started. Her well researched and really powerful insights
into what it means to be a human come wrapped in both science and lovely mid-western charm,
allowing her to cut through the formality of typical business jargon and grab her audiences
by the emotions. She has made a name for herself by being;
blunt, unapologetic and yet totally vulnerable. She says what everybody is already thinking
but is just a little too scared to say and it makes people absolutely love her. It is not hard to understand why her Ted Talk
titled; how to stop screwing yourself over is one of the most watched Ted Talks of all
time. It’s also easy to see why she is an award
winning talk radio host who is trusted by some of the biggest brands on the planet to
help motivate and advice their teams. She has appeared on everything from Good Morning
America and The Today Show to Dr. Phil and Oprah. Somehow she has also made time to found an
inspirational news site called inspire52.com and found and sell a retail and internet tech
company. Please help me in welcoming the former criminal
defense attorney who has been called an explosion of inspiration. The bestselling author with a brand new book
titled; The 5 Second Rule. The master of motivation herself; Mel Robbins. It’s really good to have you on the show. Mel: Oh my gosh thank you. Tom: Absolutely. Mel: You called me the master of motivation
and I think motivation is complete garbage so maybe we should start there. Tom: That is a perfect place to start so I
totally agree with you but why do you say that? Mel: You do? Tom: I do 100%. Now I said that in the spirit of I know what
you are trying to do so it is meant with absolute reverence, but why do you say that it’s
garbage? Mel: Well and we’ll talk a lot about this
but I think it’s garbage because at some point we all bought into this lie that you’ve
got to feel ready in order to change. We bought into this complete falsehood that
at some point you are going to have the courage, at some point you are going to have the confidence
and it’s total bullshit frankly. Are we allowed to swear on this show? Mel: Absolutely. Tom: Okay, it’s complete garbage so there
are so many people in the world and you may be watching this right now and you have these
incredible ideas and what you think is missing is motivation and that’s not true. Because the way that our minds are wired and
the fact about human beings is that we are not designed to do things that are uncomfortable
or scary or difficult. Our brains are designed to protect us from
those things, because our brains are trying to keep us alive. In order to change, in order to build a business,
in order to be the best parent, the best spouse to do all those things that you know you want
to do with your life, with your work, with your dreams you are going to have to do things
that are; difficult, uncertain or scary. Which sets up this problem for all of us,
you are never going to feel like it. Motivation is garbage, you only feel motivated
to do the things that are easy right? Tom: Why do you think that is? Mel: I know exactly why that is because I’ve
studied this so much, because for me one of the hardest things to figure out was why is
it so hard to do the little things that would improve my life. What I’ve come to realize and what we’ll
talk a lot about today is that the way that our minds are designed is our minds are designed
to stop you at all cost from doing anything that might hurt you. The way that this all happens is it all starts
with something super subtle that none of us ever catch and that is with this habit that
all of us have that nobody is talking about. We all have a habit of hesitating. We have an idea you are sitting in a meeting
you have this incredible idea and instead of just saying it you stop and you hesitate. Now what none of us realize is that when you
hesitate just that moment that micro moment, that small hesitation it sends a stress signal
to your brain. It wakes your brain up and your brain all
of a sudden goes, “Wait a minute why is he hesitating he didn’t hesitate when he
put on his killer spiky sneakers, he didn’t hesitate with the really cool track pants,
he didn’t hesitate with a NASA t-shirt now he’s hesitating to talk something must be
up.” Then your brain goes to work to protect you,
it has a million different ways to protect you one of them is called the spotlight effect. It’s a known phenomenon where your brain
magnifies risk, why? To pull you away from something that it perceives
to be a problem. You can truly trace every single problem or
complaint in your life to silence and hesitation, those are decisions. What I do and what’s changed my life is
waking up and realizing that motivation is garbage I’m never going to feel like doing
the things that are; tough or difficult or uncertain or scary or new so I need to stop
waiting until I feel like it. Number two, I am one decision away from; a
totally different marriage, a totally different life, a totally different job, a totally different
income, a totally different relationship with my kids. Not like one decision I’m divorcing you
in a marriage example but one decision on, you could be having a conversation with your
spouse and you feel your emotions rise up and within a tiny window those emotions can
take over and can impact how your marriage goes. You can learn how to take control of that
micro moment and make a decision to act in a way that actually shifts your marriage. Your life comes down to your decisions and
if you change your decisions you will change everything. Tom: That core concept comes through so powerfully
in your book which is phenomenal and I would love it if you would take a second to tell
people the story of how, and by the way I wore the NASA shirt because of the imagery. Mel: Oh is that why you wore it? Tom: Of course. Mel: Oh my God I’ve like falling my glasses
off that is, I did not even get that. I was going to ask you why you wore that shirt
oh my gosh, wow. Tom: Break it down. Mel: You actually do your homework. Tom: Of course Mel absolutely. Mel: Let me just take you back, so what you
are talking about is the five second rule which has become literally my life’s work
and it was all a gigantic mistake. I read up on you too and understand how quest
like was born out of misery. The five second rule and my life now and my
20 year marriage and everything that I’m doing and the companies that I’ve built
and sold and the company I’m building now, it all comes back to a point in my life that
completely and utterly blew. I was 41 years old I was unemployed, my husband
had started a restaurant business which was his dream this is actually a funny story. When he got laid off from a big job in high
tech and I think he was really relieved, you know how a lot of us wait to quit our jobs
and then we get laid off and are like, “Yes.” He said, “I’m not going to look for a
job I’m going to go into the restaurant business,” and I think I said the most famous
lines of our marriage at that point. I looked at him and I said, “Listen buddy
inspiration is for strangers you get your butt back to that job and you pay the mortgage.” Again micro moment where …
Tom: That is amazing. Mel: … I’m being a jerk instead of being
a supportive wife. That’s an example of where when he said
he was not going to go get a job but he was going to start a business, the first thing
that was there was fear. Fear was making the decision for me. Tom: God I love that you could share that
though, that’s so powerful. Mel: What happened is the first restaurant
was a home run and of course what do you do when things are successful? You grow it, you grow it really big. They decided to raise money and we threw in
our home equity line, the kid’s college savings, they tried to open a second and a
third and at the same point a grocery store chain. I encouraged them to go into wholesale, so
it basically got way too big way too first and the wheel started to come off. They came off so badly that the second restaurant
failed and they held on to it for too long like a lot of us do. It’s another trick our brains play on us
called [inaudible 00:09:18]. When you throw a ton of time and a ton of
money at something it’s really hard to let go of it and if you haven’t done it in business,
we all had a relationship in our past stayed way too long that was a trick your brain played
on you. By the time that they closed the second restaurant
it was an $800,000 loss. Tom: Whoa. Mel: I mean that meant our entire home equity
line gone. It meant kid’s college, I just choked just
thinking about how terrifying it was. I found myself at the age of 41 like just
feeling like a complete failure and so did Chris. To make it worse not only had we lost all
of our savings, but so many friends and family members had invested so there was this real
tension between the truth of what was happening and what you had to do in public because it
was public business; shame, failure, embarrassment and the lien started to hit the house. The phone started to ring and it was nothing
but collection calls. I just remember feeling this tremendous shame
and at some point I think we all hit that moment in life where things just are not going
how you thought they would go. What’s amazing about those moments is we
all respond very differently. My husband he would spring out of bed and
he would head right out that door six o’clock in the morning and he would go meet his partner
and they would go to the bank and they would dig right in and they would face their problems
head on. He is also a smart guy I mean he did not want
to be in the house when yours truly woke up because I was a raging bitch at that point
in our lives. The reason why is because when you are scared
and you are afraid and you are jealous and you are overwhelmed with emotions, it is so
much easier to point the finger at other people. That’s a decision by the way one you may
not be aware that you are making but you are still making it. What would happen to me is the exact opposite,
is Chris would be gone the alarm would go off at six o’clock in the morning and I
would lie there. I would think about the lien on the house
and I would think about the bankruptcy that we were facing and I would think about how
much we had fought the night before and I would think about the fact that I was unemployed. I would hit the snooze button I mean why would
you get up when your life is like that? Why would you? I needed confidence, I needed courage I was
so tapped out. In the scheme of life hitting the snooze button
is not that big of a deal but here is the thing about life; none of us wake up and say,
“Today is the day I destroy my life.” What we do is we kind of check out because
it feels overwhelming or we check out because we’re afraid or we check out because we
start listening to self-doubt and then we make these teeny-tiny decisions all day long
and we don’t even realize it. Decision to not get up on time, a decision
to not eat the right thing, a decision to snap at your kids, a decision to not speak
at a meeting, a decision to not look for a job, a decision to not deal with your finances,
a decision to not call your parents like whatever it is. All day long these tiny decisions that take
you so far off track and then you wake up like I did and you look at your life and you
think, “How the hell did I get here,” and more importantly how do you get back over
there and you have no idea. I was to strapped and I know from your story
you felt the same way, like you knew that there was more in store for you but you couldn’t
figure how do you close that gap. How do you find the power that’s in you,
how do you discover your greatness, how do you solve these problems I feel so overwhelming. When you can … I mean I would go to the
grocery store and the items would scan and I would be sitting readying my excuse because
there was no way that my check card was going to clear. Tom: Wow. Mel: I got in this struggle with myself that
a lot of us find ourselves in and that is you get trapped in what I call the knowledge-action
gap. You know what to do but you can’t seem to
make yourself do it. I mean every one of us is one Google search
away from a list of instructions that if you follow any of them …
Tom: That’s a really good point. Mel: … it will change your life. How do you get out of your head and stop thinking
about what you need to do and actually do it. In my case this stuff was pretty easy; get
up on time, make breakfast for the kids, get them on the bus, start looking for a job,
be nicer to Chris, don’t drink so much. Instead of isolating yourself pick up the
phone and call a friend, get yourself out into the woods and go for a walk, start running
again. Like all these little things that I was capable
of but I couldn’t get out of here, could not get out of here and if you are stuck that’s
the problem. The problem is you are in your head, your
thinking. That is the universal problem and it all starts
with this knowledge of what to do and then you hesitate and you think about whether or
not you feel like doing it. For a couple of months I was really stuck,
Chris would get up at six I’d hit the snooze and then I’d hit the snooze and then I hit
the snooze the kids would miss the bus. Then every night I’d do the same thing I’d
go in bed, have ever had one of those nights probably before you started your company where
you would go in bed and you are like, “All right Tom that’s it tomorrow it’s the
new me, tomorrow. Tomorrow I am going to get up on time, I am
going to go to the gym, I am going to look for a job, I’m not going to drink so much
it’s going to be amazing. The new me, the future me whoa let’s do
this,” right? Then you go to bed and you wake up seven hours
later and you are like, “I don’t feel like the new me.” Tom: Who was that? Mel: Who the, that’s the stupidest … See
motivation is garbage, it’s never there when you need it ever. Here is what happened to me and thank you
for wearing the NASA t-shirt. Tom: Of course. Mel: It’s a really stupid story. Tom: It’s a powerful story. Mel: One night Chris had gone to bed I had
been struggling, we still had all the same problems. I we still had the lien on the house, still
facing bankruptcy, still fighting like crazy, I was still unemployed. They still hadn’t figured out the solution
yet for the business and I was about to turn off the TV. There on the TV there was this rocket launching
and I thought, “Oh my gosh that is it. I am going to launch myself out of bed like
a rocket ship like NASA right here and launch me out of that bed. I’m going to move so fast that I don’t
think. I’m going to beat my brain.” Now here is a really interesting point, I
talk a lot about your instincts and inner wisdom and we can get into this a little bit
later. A lot of us talk about the fact that you have
a gut feeling, but what all these research that I’ve done for the book and all the
speaking that I do. What I’ve discovered that’s fascinating
is actually when you set goals, when you have an intention on something that you want to
change about your life your brain helps you. What it does is it opens up a check list and
then your brain goes to work trying to remind you of that intention that you set. It’s really important to develop the skill
and I say that word purposefully, the skill of knowing how to hear that inner wisdom and
that intention kicking in and leaning into it quickly. For me my brain saying, “That’s it right
there move as fast as rocket Mel,” I wanted to change my life. I think most people that are miserable or
that are really dying to be great and dying to have more; we want to change, we want to
live a better life, we want to create more for our families, we want to be happier. The desire is there again it’s about how
do you go from knowledge to action. The first thing in this story that’s important
is realizing that the answer was in me and my mind was telling me, “Pay attention.” Could have also been the bourbon I mean I
had had a couple of Manhattans that night. Anyway, the next morning the alarm goes off
and I pretend that NASA was there. It’s the stupidest story I literally went;
five, four, three, two, one I counted out loud and then I stood up. I’ll never forget standing there in my bedroom;
it was dark, it was cold, it was winter in Boston. For the first time in three months I had beaten
my habit of hitting the snooze button. I couldn’t believe it and I thought, “Wait
a minute counting backwards that is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard in my entire life.” Well the next morning I used it again and
it worked. The next morning I used it again and it worked. The next morning I used it and it worked. Then I started to notice something really
interesting, there were moments all day long just like that five second moment in bed where
I knew knowledge what I should do. If I didn’t move within five seconds my
brain would step in and talk me out of it. Every human being has a five second window
might even be shorter for you, you have about a five second window in which you can move
from idea to action before your brain kicks in to full gear and sabotages any change in
behavior. Remember your brain is wired to stop you from
doing things that are uncomfortable or uncertain or scary. It’s your job to learn how to move from
those ideas that could change everything into acting on them in the smallest moment. Tom: For anyone right now at home who is thinking
like this sounds too simple, too easy. Talk a bit about your community, because reading
some of their comments it’s crazy how many people like the sheer volume of the people
you quote in your book. If you also go online and just look at the
people that are directly reaching out to you, it is an avalanche of people that have stories
around the five second rule. Mel: One of the reasons why I’m so excited
about this book and look you don’t have to buy the book this is an idea that you can
use it’s free it’s backed by science, more than eight million people around the
world have discovered it. You are talking about the number of people
we’ve heard from more than a hundred thousand people in 80 countries …
Tom: That’s crazy. Mel: … that are using this rule. We know of 11 people who have stopped themselves
from killing themselves using this rule. Tom: I saw one of those outreaches which is
… Mel: There is a guy Steve who wrote to us
who was a veteran. He was suffering from post-traumatic stress
disorder, he boarded a ferry overseas with the intention to jump over. He walked over the railing and his inner wisdom
kicked in. In that moment the five second rule; five,
four, three, two, one counting backwards moved away from the railing asked for help saved
his life. His story has inspired countless other people
that have heard me in the speeches that I give around the world about this one tool. The thing that’s so cool about this, and
I should tell you the science behind it because I’m going to be honest with you it is stupid. Had I ever thought that I would find myself
eight years after discovering it spending my days telling people about the five second
rule, first of all I would have picked a different name because it reminds you of the one where
you have to pick up food in five seconds off the floor. Tom: Yeah. Mel: It was my secret weapon this was something
I did, I never intended to tell anybody. I went from getting up on time and waking
up on time to shaking up my entire life. Because when you understand the power of a
five second decision and you understand that you always have a choice to go from autopilot
to decision maker everything in your life will change. You will be a different negotiator, you will
different in sales, you will be unstoppable on the gym because you will realize the amount
of garbage that you put in the way; of your hopes, of your dreams, of your potential,
of your confidence, of your courage. Everything comes down to the decision that
you make. We all know what to do none of us know how
to make ourselves do it. I started researching it why does something
so stupid work, why? Why does something so silly create such powerful
and profound change? Well here is why, the rule is a form of metacognition. Metacognition is a fancy pants term that means
something real simple; you can out smart your own brain in furtherance of goals. Tom: Agree. Mel: There are tricks that you can use that
actually outsmart the tricks your brain plays on you. In furtherance of a higher purpose we all
know this, you can restrain yourself if you are in a situation that calls for it. You can jump into a raging river to save your
dog or your kid, you can direct yourself in ways if it’s important to you. The rule what it does is it does something
really remarkable. When you count backwards; five, four, three,
two, one what you are actually doing is you are interrupting what researchers call habit
loops that get in coded as close loop patterns in your basal ganglia. That’s the part of the brain where your
feelings, where your emotions every habit that you have which is nothing more than behavior
that you repeat that you don’t even think about. Tom: I’ve heard it referred to as a gear
box, because you shift your attention from [inaudible 00:23:28]. Mel: Yes, so when you go; five, four, three,
two, one it interrupts what’s going on here that’s spinning without you thinking and
it moves and awakens your prefrontal cortex. When you hit one your habit has been interrupted
so you’ve interrupted self-doubt, you’ve interrupted maybe snapping at your kids, you’ve
interrupted the desire to grab for drink, you’ve interrupted procrastination. You’ve also by counting backwards done an
action, it awakens your prefrontal cortex that is the part of the brain that’s awake
when you are changing behavior, when you are learning new things. When you hit one it’s also a prompt. In the language of research you’ll hear
people talk about starting rituals, that is something that’s proven to help you learn
a new habit. The five second rule when you repeat it becomes
a starting ritual that triggers you to act with confidence, that triggers you that this
is a moment for courage, that triggers you to shift gears. Because you’ve also done the manual work
of awakening the part of the brain that you need to change, you’ve set yourself up for
success. It doesn’t work if you count up because
you can keep going and also counting up doesn’t require a focus. If you count backwards; five, four, three,
two, one it again awakens the prefrontal cortex and it prompts you to move. When you start to use it and then you read
about it you’ll see that it’s being used all over the place; they use it in the armed
services in order to align troops and get them to start an exercise, they use it in
elementary schools; five, four, three, two, one at big assemblies to get a huge room full
of kids to stop talking. Tom: Exactly, a really simple and interesting
example yeah. Mel: Because it requires you to focus it’s
not a habit. It will become a habit that prompts you to
have confidence and courage, but in the beginning it interrupts patterns of behavior that you
do on autopilot, it helps you assert control and it teaches you how to become the kind
of person that moves from thinking about something to actually doing it. Tom: It’s incredible so there is so many
things in that story and guys I’m telling you it’s, you are going to love the depth
of brain research that is put in the book. It’s really quite extraordinary you really
have an amazing grasp of the brain and it really, really came through in the book. For me it was a wonderful balancing act between
the raw emotion of the people writing in and some of the stories that you are sharing and
the imagery of the rocket ship which you are very open about. It’s sort of a silly visual metaphor, but
because it’s effective that silliness is somewhat relevant. Mel: What’s incredible is in five seconds
flat self-doubt can take over and rob you of your power and rob you of joy and rob you
of your potential or in five seconds flat you can actually use one stupid little trick
to push yourself to grab it. Tom: What I loved in the book is because you
paint the picture so very well you are also just a good writer, so you paint the picture
like I could feel the crisp winter air of Boston stalking you out of the under the comforter. I could really feel that I was there with
you as Chris’ business is struggling, so you really feel all of that. The moment when you do the countdown you spring
out of bed and you are almost like taking yourself by surprise and you are like moving
before you realize it. But you are reading it from the perspective
of I already knew who you were, so it was it gave me the chills. It was more difficult to picture you as stuck
than it was to know, “I know where she goes.” I had already seen the Ted Talk by the time
I read the book, I knew what you were doing from a media perspective, I knew how many
people and companies you would help. For me it was like watching it in reverse,
so I’m watching it from the safety of, “I know she crushes,” it so if this is the
thing and I love that this isn’t your first book. This was the secret that you planned to keep
hidden in the drawer forever. Mel: Yeah I was not going to tell anybody
because it was stupid and it also worked so it was my thing and it’s not your thing. See the real thing that happened for me and
this is something that is a really important topic for me, is that there is when you talk
about personality so extroverts, introverts a lot of us really I know I did this I was
all wrong about what confidence meant. I thought confidence was a personality trait. Tom: I love this tell me more. Mel: I thought that people that are outgoing
are the confident ones and the truth is confidence is not a personality trait at all, it’s
a skill. A lot of the extroverted people that you know
are actually very insecure, I used to become of them. I used to be the kind of bossy class loud
mouth; that didn’t believe in myself, that didn’t believe in my ideas, that didn’t
have the confidence and the courage to really be the real me; who I am, who I’m not flaws
and all. There are tremendous number of introverted
people that feel uncomfortable putting the attention on themselves, but they are very,
very confident in their ideas. They definitely believe in themselves. When you start to separate confidence not
as a matter of personality but as a skill that you can acquire because confidence is
the ability to move in my opinion from thought to action. Because when you are a confident person you
believe enough in yourself and your capability that you are willing to try, that you are
willing to share. To me confidence isn’t the assuredness that
it turns out, it’s the willingness to try and that was a huge insight for me. What a lot of people don’t know about me
although I share this on stage and I’m extremely open about this because this is a topic that’s
really important to me. The single most profound use of the five second
rule is mind control and I say that as a lawyer. I will tell you, you can use this stupid trick
to cure yourself of anxiety. Tom: Yeah I wanted to talk about that, so
you struggled very profoundly with anxiety so walk us through some nuts and bolts of
how you use the five second rule. I think, so my hypothesis and he reason we
founded Impact Theory is that the world is living through two pandemics; the pandemic
of the body which everybody understands because it’s so visual; being overweight, dying
of diet related diseases such as diabetes. Because the second pandemic the pandemic of
the mind is invisible people don’t realize how pervasive a suicide is and I think it’s
the leading cause of death among young men I mean it’s crazy. Then that there are ways that they can go
about attacking that and fixing the problem, so walk us through that. Mel: Sure I would love to. First of all I literally have struggled with
anxiety my entire life and anxiety for this conversation the way I define it is it is
the habit of worrying spiraled out of control. You may say that you are a worrier that’s
not true you have a habit of worrying. A habit is a pattern of behavior or thinking
that you repeat without realizing it. Anxiety happens when that pattern of worrying
about things spirals out of control and now it starts to marry and manifest itself with
physical sensations too, that’s all that it is. I know that I said that that’s all that
it is. Me personally I struggled with anxiety I think
my entire life, it became quite acute when I was in my late teens and early twenties. I became medicated in the middle of law school
I took Zoloft for two decades. When our first daughter was born who is now
17 the postpartum depression and the cascading panic was so terrible that not only was I
medicated and couldn’t breast feed, but I couldn’t be left alone with her. Tom: Wow. Mel: When I say you can cure yourself of anxiety
I don’t say that lightly. Four years ago after I had been using the
five second rule to change my behavior; how I spoke to my husband, how I negotiate in
business meetings, how I conduct sales, the kind of parent that I am, my health habits,
my eating habits, curbing the drinking. I thought, “I wonder if I can use this;
five, four, three, two, one thing to get control of my thought patterns.” Not my behavior patterns, my thought patterns
yes you can. Tom: Wow. Mel: We’re going to build this conversation
because I want to start with something that we can all relate to and that is how do you
stop worrying and how do you stop listening to self-doubt, this is how you are going to
do it. All day long you are going to have moments
where your thoughts drift and I use that word on purpose. Because for me there is a physical sensation
when you start to use the five second rule and you start to wake up, not only on time
in the morning but you wake up to your life and the opportunities in your life. There is your thoughts drift, like you’ll
just be hanging out with your friends and then suddenly you are like, “I’m not sure
that that person likes me anymore. I haven’t heard from my kids lately I wonder
if they are dead or I was going to check,” you just start worrying about stuff why? Because it’s a habit. Because when you are not paying attention
your brain shifts from you being a decision maker and paying attention to you just spending
things on autopilot and one of your habits is worrying. The second you wake up and you notice, “Holy
cow I’m talking some negative garbage to myself right now,” five, four, three, two,
one you’ve just shifted the part of the brain that you are using. You have shifted from the basal ganglia which
is where your habit loops are spinning and you have awakened your prefrontal cortex. You’ve also interrupted that pattern. Now what you are going to do because your
mind is actually ready to receive a different thought because of the counting, now you can
put in an anchor thought. Like if you have a mantra, if you have a vision
about the way that your business is going to turn out in five years. If you just have a thought that makes you
really happy and proud insert that. Now why does this work? It works because of the counting and I’m
not kidding. We know based on research the positive thinking
alone not effective. In some instances trying to force yourself
to think positive can actually make the worries worse, why? Well the reason why is because it’s really
hard to just change the channel, what we have to do first is basically interrupt it and
turn off the TV and then turn it back on with the prefrontal cortex awakened, so the counting
is essential. You can start using this today, you catch
yourself talking garbage to yourself because we all know if I were to put a speaker on
your head and broadcast you wouldn’t be sitting here in the audience you would be
in an insane asylum because the crap that you say to yourself is insane. The problem is we listen to it, you’ll be
in a sales meeting and you’ll be undermining yourself, “They are not going to buy oh
my gosh I’m in trouble,” you are not even present; five, four, three, two, one switch
it back. Get back to that vision that you have about
toasting your success or this customer being really happy or you being proud of yourself. Whatever that vision may be you can control
your thoughts and this is not just us talking about it, this is a tool that you can use. Let’s take it a step further, so worrying
if you let it go unchecked what will happen is you will get used to worrying. You will get used to living in a state where
you are slightly agitated all the time. Let me talk a little bit about agitation,
so what we know based on research is that physically in your body so physiologically
being excited is the exact same thing as being afraid. Let me say that again because it is so important;
in your body being excited is the exact same thing as being afraid. Your body doesn’t know the damn difference;
your heart races, your armpits sweat, you may get tight in your throat, you may your
cheeks may get pink like mine do when I get excited. The only difference between excitement and
fear is what your brain says and the problem is if you have a habit of worrying, guess
what you are going to tell yourself is going on that you are freaking out. That you are not excited that something must
be wrong, oh gosh why would you say something is wrong because you got a habit of saying
that all the time. Even as I became a speaker for a living where
I would be on CNN when I first started doing it I would be freaking out back stage. Even though like just last week he is standing
back stage about to go on 8,000 people; heart races, armpits sweat, my hands get clammy
I’m not nervous though not at all I’m excited. I developed this technique and research out
of Harvard not based on my technique but something very similar proofs that if you basically
right before you are about to do something; take a test, run a race, pubic speaking, a
business negotiation, ask somebody to marry you. Whatever it may be that gets your heart racing
just do this go, “I’m excited. I’m excited to give that speech, I’m excited
to ask him or her, I’m excited to do this race, I’m excited.” What happens is you give your brain context
so your brain doesn’t escalate the stuff going on in your body, your brain is not worried
makes sense? Tom: Yeah. Mel: You can combine this with the five second
rule. We know how to do worrying you catch your
thoughts through a; five, four, three, two, one anchor thought. If you start to feel your heart racing; five,
four, three, two, one to awaken the prefrontal cortex and then start going, “I’m really
excited to do this.” Another technique that you can use is ask
I think they call it interrogatory questions where instead of giving yourself a pep talk
say, “Well why I’m I ready to do this? Why I’m I ready?” Because that will force you to answer the
question which then convinces you. “Why I’m I ready to close this sale, why
I’m I ready to give this speech, why I’m I ready?” Those are two strategies that you can use
backed by science that are proven to actually make your performance be much better. Now let’s take it a step further to anxiety. Anxiety is what happens when the habit of
worrying spins out of control, your body gets really agitated and then you allow your mind
to escalate it into a full blown panic attack. For those of you that have not had the pleasure
of having a panic attack let me explain what it’s like. Have you ever been in your car and you are
driving down the road and you go to change lanes and then all of a sudden there is like
oh my God there is a car right here. You swerve a little bit and then your heart
is like and you may sweat a little bit and you grip the wheel really tight and you are
super locked in on the road ahead of you. Then that car pulls away and the near miss
scenario passes and your mind starts going, “Okay you are all right now that’s it.” That’s what a panic attack is only it happens
while you are standing in front of your coffee pot, seriously. You have that same, “Oh my God [inaudible
00:38:55],” and your heart’s racing and the problem for your brain is that your brain
can’t look around and say, “Holy cow we almost got hit by a car.” Your brain is saying, “What the hell is
wrong with her, she is making coffee and she is freaking out,” so now your brain is the
problem because what’s our brain’s job it’s designed to protect you. Your brain will now do whatever it can to
magnify the problem remember we talked about the spotlight effect. It will start telling you all kinds of crazy
stuff because it can’t figure out contextually, “What the hell is going on she is just making
coffee now her heart is racing and she is breathing really, holy cow maybe she is having
a heart attack.” A lot of people that have panic attacks say,
“I think I’m dying oh my God what’s happening,” or you see them do the deer
in the headlights thing where they got to get out of the room. That is the spotlight effect in your brain
now taking control and magnifying everything to get you out of whatever it was. Here is how you use the second rule; you use
it to stabilize your thoughts before the panic escalates. Then what happens is it drifts into worry
and then it disappears. The second you feel worry you catch it you
train yourself to do that. If you start feeling yourself getting your
heat racing you can; five, four, three, two, one and use the, “I’m excited, I’m excited.” If that doesn’t work literally; five, four,
three, two, one and just give yourself an anchor thought literally of you being okay. I’ll give you another quick example because
this is one that we have a tremendous number of success with and people that hear the example
use it immediately and are blown away. I used to be terrified of flying, terrified
every bump I’d be freaking out. I started using this strategy with the plane,
so the second that you feel yourself getting nervous; five, four, three, two, one and then
your anchor thought is a vision of what you are going to do when you get to where you
are going. When I get on the plane tomorrow to fly back
to Boston I’ll think about walking in the house and the place is like a disaster. It’ll look like everybody’s stuff got
loaded into a can and then fired all over the first floor. If we hit turbulence; five, four, three, two,
one I’ll think about that vision because cognitively for my brain if I’m walking
in the house and it’s a disaster the plane made it that’s the power of this. It’s incredible. Tom: What I love about you Mel is that a,
I love how raw and real you are about your own situation which … Because people are
going to look at you and the first thing they are going to want to do is make you extraordinary
way not to have to live up to your standard because what you have accomplished really
is astonishing and seeing you on stage is unbelievable. You are so good at that and I know that it
comes from working your ass off but wow it’s very, very impressive. Mel: Thank you. Tom: Then that you use techniques like that
you’ve got answers for how have I done this I’ve done it like this and I’ve had cast
sit across to me that that’s not their stake. Like they have done truly extraordinary things
with their life but they seem just like totally blind to how they did it. The fact that you can walk people through
it is so cool. Mel: Well I think we are all flawed and that’s
the beauty of who you are. Instead of trying to make yourself perfect
in every area it’s so much easier when you accept the things that you are terrible at
or that are your weaknesses or that are things about your wiring. Look if I were diabetic I would take insulin
I happen to be somebody that’s wired for anxiety no big deal. Figure out how to instead of fighting those
things actually trick it, because the truth is that you are never going to feel ready
to make these changes. You are never going to feel like doing them
but you can always make a decision that’s always in your control. Staying with somebody that treats you like
garbage is a decision, it is. Staying at a job that you hate is a decision. Staying in the body that you are not proud
of is a decision. Is it going to be easy? No it’s not going to be easy to change it’s
simple, do a Google search and then use the five second rule to force yourself to do that
stuff. Change comes down to five second decisions
and this is why the five second rule is important for everybody to know. It’s your job to push yourself and I don’t
care if you are Dr. Martin Luther King Junior or you are Michelangelo or you are Lin-Manuel
Miranda who wrote Hamilton you will struggle with self-doubt. Everybody that you admire everybody and the
list is the same; Oprah Winfrey and I want to be like Tom and I want to be like Branson
and I want to be like Jay-Z and I want like … Everybody is listed as a Bill Gates. Do you know what those people do, they do
not have the habit of hesitating they trust themselves. Tom: Now really fast before we go tell us
about the million dollar mornings and setting yourself up. Mel: Yes, I have a gift. Here is the thing I did one thing other than
the five second rule that has changed my life, my marriage everything. I do not have the phone in my bedroom. The phone is designed by people like your
phone you should not have your phone in your bedroom and here is why; because what’s
on your phone is not your dreams. What’s on your phone is stuff that’s been
designed by people that studied game theory. You know why you check your email all the
time? You know why you are constantly looking at
your phone? It’s called random rewards. It’s a psychological principal that explains
why we pull slot machines, because every six or seven times we get a little random reward
so we keep going back. I know most emails blow but every once in
a while you get a good one that’s why you keep looking. I created this course called The Million Dollar
Morning; whether you want to make a million dollars a year or in a morning or whether
you want to wake up and feel like a million bucks. This is the science backed strategy step by
step for how to wake up because it’s not when you wake up that matters it’s how you
wake up that matters. We filmed it at the house I walk you through
all the science, I show you the whole routine and we’re giving it to your audience for
free. Tom: Wow thank you. Mel: You are welcome, because look I want
you to use things. It’s one thing to talk, talk, talk and think
it’s another thing to actually take action. The more that you can provide, that I can
provide that shows people what to do and the more tools that we can give people to get
out of their heads and into action the more the world is going to improve, the more your
life will improve. Tom: All right I get the feeling that this
whole time has sort of been answering this question but I’m going to ask it anyway;
what’s the impact that you want to have on the world? Mel: The impact that I want to have is I want
to teach people how to discover the power that’s inside of them. To live fully in the open and share themselves;
who they are, who they are not like there is so much fear that we live with. I want to teach people how to live with more
courage because courage is nothing more than the ability to do things that are uncertain. In today’s world we have the internet you
can literally learn, launch, do anything. The only thing that’s truly stopping you
are the limiting patterns that you think; the self-doubt, the fear, the habits that
you have and you can break them. You can break them five seconds at a time. The impact that I want to have is I want to
teach people a simple way to discover the power that’s locked inside them and then
to unleash it and go out and live the life they’ve always dreamt of. Tom: Awesome Mel thank you so much for [crosstalk
00:47:07]. Mel: I want a hug get over there. Tom: Got it. Guys you are going to want to dive into the
very warm waters that are this woman’s world. It is absolutely astonishing I’m talking
raw vulnerability but what I love is no matter how silly some of the things she may say they
are, they are incredibly powerful. You will see her community they will reach
out, you will see them talking about how they have changed in real time whether it’s stepping
back of a ledge and not making a catastrophically bad decision. Whether it’s just truly jumping out of bed
and attacking their life, unleashing the power that they have within themselves to live the
life they were meant to live, to finally own what they actually want which is something
that she really, really encourages everybody to do especially our community. It is unbelievable and you guys will benefit
so tremendously from somebody who is able to convey the difference between motivation
which is bullshit and action which is real. That is where she has made a name for herself,
she is all about action you guys. Heard it today she breaks things down into
the not always easy but the always simple steps and if you follow those steps you will
be able to transform your life really in five seconds or less. It’s absolutely breathtaking she backs everything
up with science. Mel where can they find you online? Mel: Anywhere just Google Mel Robbins seriously;
I’m on Insta, I’m on Facebook, I’m on Twitter, we’re on Snap, we’re on LinkedIn,
website is melrobbins.com or email me no joke [email protected] Give us a couple of days to respond but we
respond so there you go and don’t troll me. Look I’m on CNN people talk about the turkey
neck they write nothing but trashy stuff all the time, so don’t go there. If you write you need help you need more advice
and we have so much free content; so many videos, so many articles so just go to melrobbins.com
and you’ll find all kinds of cool stuff. Tom: Go check it out guys and have the life
that you’ve always wanted. One more time please help me in thanking this
incredible woman with the amazing shoes Mel what a pleasure I’m coming in for one more
thank you. All right guys it’s a weekly show be sure
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100 thoughts on “Mel Robbins on Why Motivation Is Garbage | Impact Theory

  1. I've been doing the 5,4,3,2,1 countdown for over a decade to help motivate myself… it doesn't work. 🙁

  2. How do you use this skill for things you Don't want to do? Like last night I had to make about 20 decisions NOT to eat some macadamia nuts after dinner (I wasnt really hungry and im trying to lose some weight) Last night I was successful, but often one of those 20 decisions goes the wrong way.

  3. In my case my severe anxiety was completely food intolerance related, I went undiagnosed for decades. Once I changed my diet and added some supplements like magnesium and vitamin B complex it completely vanished, so no its not just a "bad habit" at least not for everyone

  4. I feel like I found Mel at the perfect time. I have been working on my mindset for years and can finally start to take action, and then I found her! Great suggestions.

  5. If you like the concepts she discusses, check out, "Constructive Living", by David K. Reynolds

    “Haven’t you found that the feeling of confidence came after you were successful at a task or a job and not before? Then why are so many current approaches to life and therapy aiming to produce confidence first so that the clients can succeed at something? They have it backwards. . . Aim for a constantly happy, anxiety-free life and you won’t get it. Focus your attention on your feelings a lot and you end up miserable. Think of the people you know with the most satisfying, enviable lives. Do they ruminate about their emotions all day long? My guess is that they don’t. Now consider the people you know who appear to be most miserable. Do they spend long periods of time dwelling on their feelings? I’ll bet they do.”

  6. take action. Motivation is a disease if you don't live with it. Take action, experince and test what you know to learn about yourself.

  7. # MelRobbins
    The five second rule is not a stupid little trick.
    It is life changing.
    It is the get moving trick.

    The 5 second rule works when we were children because it was so silly but also serious.

  8. I have a fear of hospitals, exams or something to this fact, every since I can remember. I don't know why! I'm 50 years old. Still afraid! I have to talk myself into going to the doctor. What the hell is wrong with me!!!

  9. That's so funny, the crap that I say to myself, unbelievable! I'm like what! Why am I thinking of some of the stuff I think about, when I'm not in my now or present!

  10. Amazing interview as always Tom and crew.. Never ceases to amaze me how you get the best out of these people!
    Watched this Video before creating my Mind Map Video on Mel's book! Got me in the right mindset 🙂

  11. Mel Robbins is so great! I love listening to these videos. She is so inspiring, motivating, and knowledgeable! It helps me strengthen my Life Coaching skills. I also just created a Youtube Channel myself. I hope to integrate above knowledge into my life coaching practice + youtube. THANK YOU MEL & Tom for creating such an amazing channel!

  12. I’ve listened to so many videos of Mel Robbins talking about her journey and the 6 seconds rule. Watching this video in its entirely motivated me to buy the book.

    Also, although there are many women in the personal development/motivational industry, it’s rare to see them featured on channels like these on YouTube.

    Frankly, men are normally the ones taking the spotlight so thank you for highlighting Mel! Love your channel and love what you’re doing!

  13. The beautiful woman living next door to us who married a good man when young and had seven kids.. beat this bitch hands down. Mel is not a man despite trying to convince you she is. All this comes from her hubby.

  14. This theory is like an excercise so be careful at first and don't go quitting the best job you ever had. Tune your skills on focus and problem identification.

  15. I loved this video thank you TOm u r working well in this world your sign will stay in our hearts u r the best interviwer ever 😘😘😘😘😘 i watch you always we need people like go forward

  16. This is GOLD. I am glad she achieved her full potential & success. She truly deserves it more than a lot of corrupted motivational speakers!

  17. Love this video!!! 5second rule is like to me ‘Just do it’. I will read her book and from tonight I will not sleep with my phone at the bedside.

  18. The book is too long and repetitive..sometimes boring..this video is enough for the message. If you don't have money to buy the book just listen to this..Ok gotta go 5 4 3 2 1👊

  19. Hi Mel im trying to fix my life actualy working on it for some time lots of mess i made some day i fimm like im still like on the begining n some day i fill like i done something but any way still long way to get i want to be
    Mel you made my mined t o get big design in life to change my job im realy thankfull to you and your saying motivation with out action is as Rohn sed you get motivated idiot wont do much to get better but action is the key talking is like doing nothing but doing something different is the key to make life better
    Thanks for pointing ACTION TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT IS THE KEY T O MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN LIFE

    THANKS FOR IT FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
    LOL😘😘😘

  20. I was always worried about my future because I was always thinking about doing something and lack motivation to do it. So since I want to become businesses person I thought I would go nowhere with this habbit . But this five second rule to get out of my brain is great and helping thank you for sharing

  21. Hi Tom,
    Greetings!

    I have been watching IT videos lately,
    And I was wondering if you guys have an android application like TED, where you share ur videos.

    I looked into play store but couldn't find any, please let me know if there is any.

    Thanks.

  22. I sent an email to the address mentioned to contact Mel as she suggested using the 54321 rule and it bounced back. I googled how to contact her and it come back via # on social media, but I am a bit of a hashtag dummy on social media and no idea how to use them. Well thats was a real anticlimax using the 5 second rule 🙁

  23. Ray Crock Mc Donald have habit listening motivational speech.. And he becoming very very very rich. I more believe to him than mel gibson.. Sory mel robinson.. Like this if you agree…

  24. Do not have breakfast and lunch, you will see the difference in the performance of yours… One meal a day and I dont think one needs more than that.

  25. I've heard nothing about the desire to "feel" ready to change. If one waited until one "feels" ready, one will wait forever. The world is full of the "gonna do's". The fact that one tends to resist changes in behavior and life-style, is the best reason to counter this resistance.

    “Keep the faculty of effort alive in you by a little gratuitous exercise every day. Do every day or two, something for no other reason than that you would rather not do it. Everybody should do at least two things each day that he hates to do, just for practice.” –"The Principles of Psychology", Chap IV Habit, William James, page 82 , in “Britannica Great Books”

    Our brains were designed to make us take the path of least resistance. Do I mow the lawn, or watch a ballgame on TV? I'll start lifting weights after I finish this dozen donuts. I believe that it was Joe Dispenza or Bruce Lipton who suggested that we can and must reprogram our subconscious to change our habits from resistance to becoming habits of doing what is productive, but displeasing. Even at age 75, I decided over a year go to get into body-building. After over a year, I must still force myself into doing the various exercises. I've lost weight, and am beginning to see expanded upper-body muscles. I'm working out as I watch this video.

    Male and female relationship problems: Due to the lies and misunderstanding of scripture and philosophy in our culture, we've been trained to look at ourselves as physical beings in a physical 3D world, having occasional spiritual experiences. Hence, we become victims of a materialistic pleasure-driven reality of envy, greed and hostility. If, instead, we realize that we are immortal spiritual beings having experiences in a physical world, this would prevent the discord in relationships between couples and people in general. I realize that many will reject this concept. But eventually, I will be proven correct, if not already done so. In this physical reality, and on a psychological basis men and women are incompatible.

  26. I saw an interview with Steve-O from Jackass some time ago where he preched the 5-second-rule aswell, which allows him to do even the most ridicolous stunts. You can think of him what you want, but the rule works.

  27. Mel you Encourage beyond my imagination I can think. I totally agree with you with the motivational is Garbage. 💭💭💭💭 I love you…

  28. @1:25 – "trusted by some of the biggest brands on the planet to help MOTIVATE and advise their teams…." I thought MOTIVATION is GARBAGE……

  29. Her energy rubs me the wrong way. She repeats herself quite a bit and doesn't really give any answers maybe what she is repeating worked for her and not very motivational.

  30. How to shift from Tony Robbins to Mel Robbins Bull shit.
    Is she a neuroscientist? A psychiatrist? An MD? A sociologist? No? So she should shut it.

  31. That into was for white people,…because N** ain’t afraid to say real shit,…that’s new and scary for white people.

  32. Hey Tom, great video and all but here's a message to your production team. Could you guys relax the exposure a little bit? Those clipped highlights are piercing my eyes like Luke Skywaker's lightsaber in the middle of a pitch black African night

  33. Thanks, this video was totally revealing to me because it described exactly what was going on. I am extremely grateful for this content.

  34. Nothing more irritating than someone not taking the shot on the buzzer (basketball). We can live with NOT making the shot and it would be awesome if the shot was made but god help you if you never made it in time to shoot with ball still in hand. You will die regretting that you never got to “take the shot”. You could live with not making the shot but you can’t live with not taking the shot.

  35. The best pod cast video cast next to Brad Lea, Ed Mylett, Andy Frisella & not forgetting uncle G. Grant Cardone!! Tim Bilyeu is definitely in this league. For many still an undiscovered Gem. Mel Robbins needs a mention. Great summary and application advise of known success formula!!

  36. The 5 second rule might be used by many I believe (without learning from other people like Mel) I have used it many times (knew it myself) but not consistently enough to change my life a lot. It's a weapon I used mostly to overcome lethargy which is where it's the most effective.

  37. Budha said this before: "Suffering is caused by decisions not made". So once you have made any decision you were pondering on instantly you feel better and calm, even when the decision is something you know it's going to be painful, it just give you the certainty you need

  38. Excellent Interview!! Great Guest dead on, put into terms to learn and flat lines Everything Dr Dispenza, Bruce Lipton teaches in a short talk, preparing One to get excited and learn more. Great Delivery! 5-Second tool, small but powerful!

  39. Thank you sooooooooo much , this cane when I was checking out and almost gave up on everything & everyone around me, after watching this ready I can truly say I am ready to live again ❤️ I love everyone reading this and may you find yourself …

  40. Hard to take anyone who's a "contributor" on CNN seriously. She should separate herself from that kind of garbage "entertainment media" that is CNN and the rest of the Alphabet media. 😑

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