Laughter is the Best Medicine

MSNBC's Rachel Maddow CAN'T STOP LAUGHING at Trump's speech in front of a FAKE LOGO

how things are gonna go from here on out is wrong I mean they might end up accidentally being right but I mean to the extent that anybody is expressing any certainty to you right now about what's gonna happen next that person is wrong to be so certain because what we are going through right now is a country is unprecedented which literally means we have not done it before which means there is no previous experience to extrapolate from that might give us a hint as to where this is going next I mean even when it comes to just the basic fate of this presidency as of this morning you might have seen the national headlines these super sober super sure headlines about how if we know anything about the impact of the Robert Moeller testimony yesterday it's that it definitely didn't move the needle one bit on the question of impeachment if it did anything it convinced Democrats once and for all that they definitely aren't gonna pursue impeachment it killed that off forever I mean those are the headlines all over the papers today as of this morning as of this afternoon oh look there's five new members of the House who have just come out in favor of an impeachment inquiry including Katherine Clark who is in the Democratic House leadership you might have seen also initial reporting today about how Democrats held a meeting in the wake of Moeller's testimony and at that meeting they decided that you know they would stick to the same old plan and the dynamics among the Democrats would stick to the same old script same dynamic the Democrats have been in for months they definitely won't pursue impeachment proceedings against the president no matter what they don't even want to plan for it no way it's done in fact further detailed reporting about that same meeting later today suggest that what the Democrats were really doing at that meeting was for the first time talking about the nuts-and-bolts step-by-step chronological logistics of how exactly they would do it if they were gonna do it including basic questions like how exactly their impeachment articles would be conveyed to the US Senate if the house did in fact pass articles have been Pietschmann and it was time to move on to the next step that's the kind of stuff that they were talking about which is not at all the same old page they were stuck on before so all of this sort of instant sage punditry and instant news analysis in the world that's tried to be very reassuring now don't worry nothing will change everything is the same we know exactly how this is all gonna go from here on out I mean I understand the sort of impulse to be soothing I understand the impulse to broadcast that sort of thing I think it sort of feels good particularly in the Beltway press but the facts on the ground do seem to be shifting much faster than that kind of tut-tutting analysis has been able to keep up with even just over the course of today now let me just give you one other sort of case study from our current news cycle that if nothing else should persuade you to keep your mind open to the possibility of something something deeply weird happening at any time that should close your mind only to the possibility that there's somebody out there who knows what happens next I mean we are living in deeply weird times this is a deeply weird presidency things that touch this presidency things that happen around this presidency particularly in times of stress they have an almost otherworldly propensity to go weird even if they start off normal I mean that's not necessarily a good or bad thing it's just weird for example this is my case study do you know what the President did the night before Robert Muller's testimony we know the president appeared to be a little stressed out about molars forthcoming testimony he was tweeting angrily that day in that night about the logistics of the Moller hearing and the fact that molars deputy was going to be there that's not fair very unfair should not be allowed I mean we know that the president was very wound up about it the night before molars testimony happened it happened well what did he actually do the night before Mulder testified turns out he had a public event he spoke to a right-wing youth group and I think that you have probably not seen this footage I mean maybe you were there statistically speaking I'm guessing you are not a member of a right-wing youth group watching me right now although if you are welcome to stay but we've got the tape and it's sort of I just I think this is a remarkable thing sort of a crowds eye view of what it was like to be in the audience of that right-wing youth group on Muller Eve awaiting the on-state on stage presence of the President of the United States that ambition was unmistakably prevalent in young Donald's DNA he apparently loves military school he likes the kind of OUTFRONT I think competitiveness of it medals and ribbons Donald Trump thrived rising in rank and he was socially popular with men and women he also gravitated toward sports or rather winning in sports so this is the right wing teenagers group it's like a pro Trump youth group and they're watching this video about how Donald Trump was such a popular boy with both boys and girls and he had such good DNA and he was always winning and everything he got so many ribbons and stuff this goes on for a long time this is a long hype video ultimately they get to the part right after this where they're kind of trying to give like an exciting war movie vibe to the room and so I'm gonna show you this next part I'm just gonna stop talking here for a second so you can see and hear what this was like for the Trump youth group I also just keep in mind this is the kind of event the President of the United States is doing now you and then there's everybody goes crazy and they start throught president Donald Trump's throbbing on the screen and think the crowd gets all hyped up and then they get president walks out into the stage say I told you things could get even weirder than you thought they could get but wait this is even weirder than you think it is because this is what the event looks like once he finally gets going okay you see there's like the throbbing name there to the right see how there's a presidential seal there presidential seal there right with his name then there's another presidential seal on the left side of your screen as we're looking at it the one with his name over it that's the seal of the President of the United States on the left side of the screen do you notice that one looks a little bit different Washington Post was first to report in this I'm not sure how long it would have taken anybody else to notice that this happened how many other people were looking at this footage right but turns out there's a guy who runs a website called one-term Donny which is an anti-trump website you can buy like anti-trump merchandise and posters and t-shirts or whatever that guy designed a Trump specific satirical version of the seal of the President of the United States okay for comparison purposes the real one is on the left this is the one that was projected underneath the president's name at that event the one that was projected on the other side of the screen behind the President as he prowled the stage at this Trump youth group event the night before molars testimony that's the one on the right there are subtle differences first thing look at the head you'll notice in the Trump one the eagle has two heads instead of one it's pretty much exactly the two heads from the state seal of the Russian Federation the two-headed you're yeah now look down at the feet of the double-headed eagle on the real seal you see on the on the right that's the the Talon of the eagle holding 13 arrows representing the 13 colonies in the seal that was shown behind the President on Muller it's a little bit hard to tell at first glance what that is you can tell it's not arrows in the terms of the one term Donny website merchandise producer he describes what's in the clutches of that Eagle there as quote little dong dongs child sized set of golf clubs for those tiny tiny hands so no arrows tiny golf clubs in the Eagles other little Talon where from the real seal you would expect to see the Eagle holding an olive branch the Trump specific seal is instead holding a bunch of cash and then there's two other alterations I will draw your attention to one is the shield sort of the breastplate for the Eagle on the real presidential seal that breastplate is red and white stripes down below in a blue field up top on the one that was designed specifically for Trump and that was projected behind him for his Muller Eve Trump youth appearance there's still the red and white stripes on the bottom but the blue field above the red and white stripes is a little different see how it's got those little icons there those are hammer and sickles like from the Soviet Union right just in case the two-headed Eagle from the seal of the Russian Federation was not on the knows enough it's the hammer and sickle z' and then the last alteration you should notice is the words written on the banner over the eagle's head on the real presidential seal of course it's a pluribus unum out of many one motto of the United States on the Trump specific presidential seal which again the president stood in front of for more than an hour the night before Muller testified that one actually says 45s own teeth tear a teeth tere that's not Latin that's Spanish and it means 45 is a puppet now this does not seem to have been an anti Trump trick or hack it wasn't like a rogue projection estat the Marriott in DC is the as Trump is speaking to this prompt youth group this does seem to have just been a thing that the Trump right-wing youth group got wrong they accidentally did that and put that up there and apparently the White House advanced operations are sufficiently porous that this sort of thing can just happen and who knows blamed the youth I mean he was standing in front of that thing for more than an hour the guy who made the turned on a website is like anybody who tells you there aren't wrinkles in the universe or unexpected hazards or opportunities ahead is just not being honest about how exactly weird this moment is an American political life I mean listen to something that can happen involving the president in person and his adoring teens I mean anything anything can happen particularly anything can happen in the wake of the jarring claims that were made about the president and his behavior by the special counsel in those seven hours of televised hearings yesterday from your testimony today I gather that you believe that knowingly accepting foreign assistance during a presidential campaign is an unethical thing to do and a crime and a crime and what about total exoneration did you actually totally exonerate the president no no in fact your reports expressly states that it does not exonerate the president it does so it's rare to say the president tried to protect himself by asking staff to falsify records relevant to an ongoing investigation I would say that's a generally in summary okay but the could you charge the president with a trim' after he left office yes you believe that he committed you could charge the president nine states with obstruction of justice after he left office yes now director Muller can you explain in plain terms what that finding means so the American people can understand it well the finding indicates that the president was not that the president was not as sculpey exculpated for the acts that he allegedly committed presumably the Russians could record that conversation could they not yes and so if candidate Trump was saying I have no dealings with the Russians but the Russians had a tape recording they could expose that could they not yes that's the stuff of counterintelligence nightmares is it not yesterday's testimony by Robert Miller was so blunt and so unequivocal and at times so simple I think it would be hard to expect that testimony to not sort of knock this new cycle upside the head regardless of whether we can predict or not predict how it's going to affect this presidency in the long run but I mean I mean just bluntly to the extent that presidents have been impeached in the past for committing crimes for enabling and going along with the commission of crimes and for lying to cover it all up I mean Robert Muller bluntly and unequivocally testified yesterday that yes President Trump did all of those things the Trump campaign officials built their strategy their messaging strategy around those stolen documents I may have generally that's true and then they lied to cover it up generally that's true blunt testimony like that about the sitting president of the United States it's not the sort of thing that tends to evaporate into the ether and now couple that today with this news 67 page report that has just been released on a bipartisan basis from the Intelligence Committee in the United States Senate now robert muller yesterday was at his most passionate and honestly his most coherent when he was articulating the scale of the russian attack on our election its intentions its implications how serious this was as a threat to our democracy he said over all the things he has dealt with in his career this is one of the most serious threats he have as he has ever seen to our country remember he was FBI director in the immediate wake of 9/11 well now immediately in the wake of his testimony here today surprise is the Senate Intel committee reporting unequivocally that they have looked into this in detail and they agree with Robert Muller there can be no doubt about what happened here from page five of the report quote Russian government affiliated cyber actors conducted an unprecedented level of activity against state election infrastructure in the run-up to the 2016 elections I mean even over the course of those two hearings yesterday you heard Republicans become less able to keep a straight face while questioning or denying that the Russian attack happened or that the Russian attack was any big deal I mean it was poor Republican congressman Tom McClintock from California a morning session yesterday who started off trying to say he didn't believe all the social media manipulation stuff run out of Russia from the internet research agency he didn't necessarily believe that was necessarily even from Russia can you prove it I mean that was a very strange assertion by congressman McClintock particularly because he's from California right like you could sort of think that maybe he might have trouble with that when he goes home I mean I guess he's gonna say that like there are internet research agencies everywhere there was just the st. Petersburg franchise maybe they could have been running that stuff out of the Indonesia office I don't know I mean that was a that was nutty in the morning but by the afternoon even the Republicans on the Intelligence Committee some of them we're paying lip service to the fact that yes what Russia did was bad and yes it was serious and yes maybe we ought to start think thinking about how to how to stop that from happening again well that's yesterday and then today this bipartisan report from the Senate Intelligence Committee hopefully will help Republicans get over whatever this tacit directive they've received from the Trump White House that they should all pretend that Russia didn't do what it did but there's there's a couple of things that I think are worth noting about this report over and above its emphatic public conclusion that Russia attacked the election in an unprecedented way and one of the things I think worth knowing about this report is just how freakin redacted it is I'm not sure we expected that the intelligence committees report on Russian interference to look like a barely unsealed indictment I mean I said I set aside like a whole big chunk of my day today I was like oh I've got a 67 page single-spaced report plus lots of footnotes to get through now I'll leave myself time to really get through that not really it's more like a coffee break read it's all under black boxes it's all blacked out they all have pages look like this I mean presumably these redactions are at the behest of the intelligence community I don't know but this is a serious toner investment for your printer if you're gonna print it out I mean here let me just show you an example this is page 28 of this report from Senate Intel you see the heading naming this section of the report it's a whole section of the report titled Russian efforts to research u.s. voting systems processes and other elements of voting infrastructure and the whole first paragraph is redacted and then the whole second paragraph is redacted and the third paragraph is had acted in the fourth paragraph in the paragraph in the six-pack that's the end of the section okay the whole thing is redacted wait there's one sentence in the whole section in the whole section there that is not redacted that we the public are allowed to see what is that sentence the sentence is what it is unknown if torrents off attended the events yes I've googled Tehran self no I have no idea I mean but we're allowed to know that one thing what are the events whose Tehran sauvé is this important why is this less important than the stuff behind all of the other paragraphs in that section all of you everything else in that report about the Russian government casing our voting systems in the elements of our voting infrastructure researching them trying to suss them out we're not allowed to know any of that even as the Senate Intelligence Committee moves to make this report public so that's I mean that's I don't think what was expected from this report it's intriguing it's sort of frustrating depending on your mood but even with all of these myriad reductions the Senate Intelligence report does make a few very sobering assertions including confirming publicly that Russia attacked the election and unprecedented scale and breadth but also including and no uncertain terms that the Russian attack included Russia successfully accessing and stealing voter information from voter registration databases in the states like the actual voter registration databases that are used by the states for us to vote in the presidential election in at least at least a couple of instances they broke in it was successful and they got that data and again a ton of the descriptive stuff in here is blacked out we can tell reading between the black boxes I think the committee is telling us at least two states had their voter information cracked by the Russians where the hack not only succeeded but they got the data we also get lots of information about how unnamed individual states didn't believe it when they were warned about these attacks by Russian government cyber actors the individual states again they're not named they're numb Estate's but after time and time again one after another they deny that they these attacks were any big deal state after state refuses government help when it was offered to them that is not heartening and so at this this sort of typically weird moment where I do think that kind of anything is possible in terms of where the news cycle is going next then where this presidency is going next I do have to say that the only place that kind of feels like it might be a real catbird seat for this weird moment in American life might be if you had a seat on one of the intelligence committees that seems like an excellent place to observe what's going on in our country right now and the most interesting things about it because let's say you're on the Senate Intelligence Committee presumably that means you can read all of the redacted stuff in today's report and you can you know you can find out what's actually there because you're cleared to read exactly how bad the Russian attack was and how it worked and how far they got into how many different states and which states it was that blew off the warnings and left the Russians in denied there was any problem presumably that would also let you as a member of the committee read how far we have advanced since 2016 towards stopping Russia from doing it in the next election as well since both the FBI director and the former Special Counsel are now warning us explicitly that they have every intention of doing it in 2020 as well I mean do the thought experiment right let's imagine it's a close election in 2020 can't possibly be yes imagine it's going to be a close election what if it comes down to a hand recount in one state and the presidency is on the line based on that recount that could never yet that happened 2000 Florida right then it turns out as we're doing that hand recount and the whole country is riveted to whatever state it is turns out that's one of the states where Russia didn't just probe and prod they actually access they actually got their hands on all the voter data from that state now the question arises in the country as we're wondering to find out what's gonna happen with this recount hmm Russia got in there did they mess with any of that voter data that they corrupt it that they tilt it in one direction or another how would we know if they did what would that do to our ability as a country to trust the results of something as sensitive as a recount or even just a count in the first place that might determine whether or not Donald Trump gets four more years in office I mean if you were on the Intelligence Committee you'd be able to read the whole report also if you're on the Intelligence Committee you would be in a unique position because of your oversight role over the intelligence community you'd be in a unique position to get the real story the real dirt perhaps behind the work that Robbery shion's from molars testimony yesterday was Muller talking about the compromised of potentially the president and members of his campaign the counterintelligence issues about foreign intelligence services and foreign governments compromising US officials and other people in US national life as a way of compromising our country I mean as blunt as Muller was and explaining how members of the Trump campaign and the President himself were compromised by Russia or might have been compromised by Russia because of their secret dealings with the Russian government which Russia knew about and they could leverage to compromise these folks and export things from them and put national security at risk as blood as he unexpectedly was about those things Muller also said repeatedly that although those were huge risks and they did observed all the elements of compromise and potential blackmail there that actually wasn't something that his team worked on not in our report we advert to the the counterintelligence goals of our investigation which were secondary to any criminal wrongdoing that we could find I cannot get into that mainly because there are many elements of the FBI they're looking at different aspects of that issue currently currently for instance since it was outside your purview your report did not reach counterintelligence conclusions regarding any Trump administration officials who might potentially be vulnerable to compromise or blackmail by Russia correct those decisions probably were made in the counter at the FBI on our intelligence section of the FBI would be part working on that well are they still working on that how'd that go they look into that stuff I mean time and time again yesterday Muller surprisingly answered questions about the potential issue of being compromised by Russia and how that risk attends to but not just the president's campaign but also the president and he described things time again as being subject to investigation the subject of ongoing investigation things that were being looked at or were looked at by the FBI as counterintelligence matters things that were not being evaluated by his team no no no you need to ask the FBI you need to ask the counterintelligence section at the FBI and that was about you know not only WikiLeaks releasing all the stolen stuff that they got from Russian intelligence it was not only about Donald Trump jr. communicating with WikiLeaks about that material it was not only about the extent of Mike Flynn's compromise with Russia as he was lying about his interactions with the Russian government while he was holding a very sensitive national security position in the US government it also includes the basic question of whether or not the president is or was compromised by Russia because of his hidden financial dealings with them that they could expose at any time I mean apparently to the extent this stuff has been looked at it was never a Muller matter it's an FBI matter it was and is an FBI matter in some cases he said explicitly it is an ongoing counterintelligence matter at the FBI or presumably a matter otherwise for the intelligence community well the intelligence committees and the house in the Senate have oversight over the intelligence community they're the only ones who do and now they have just been given an open door from Robert Muller inviting them to find out what is going on with those investigations because Muller says yeah those are real investigations and those are serious real national security issues for our country and you should ask the FBI about that the intelligence committees are sort of the only ones who are allowed to get those answers they're the only ones allowed to know as far as I understand it well Senator Michael Bennet of Colorado is a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee he released his own additional views that were appended to today's highly redacted Intelligence Committee report on Russian interference in the election senator Bennet is also a member of the Democratic Party who's in contention for his party's presidential nomination this year senator Bennet joins us next stay with us so there's this new 67 page report on Russian attacks on our elections that was released today by the Senate Intelligence Committee it is very largely redacted but the last page of the report page 67 of 67 is different from all the rest you can see there at the top additional views of Senators Harris Bennett and Heinrich that's three Democratic senators on the Intelligence Committee California senator Kamala Harris Colorado Senator Michael Bennet the two of them are both running for president right now also New Mexico senator Martin Heinrich they all had something to say that they felt was not reflected in the committee's brought a report but they are a little bit mysterious about what it is we do not endorse every recommendation in the committee's report and we share some of our colleagues concerns about the vulnerability that we face particularly at the state level where counties with limited resources must defend themselves against sophisticated nation-state adversaries we do not endorse every recommendation tell me more joining us now is Senator Michael Bennet member of the Senate Intelligence Committee twenty20 presidential candidate sir it's great to have you here thanks for making it thanks for you for having me so you do not endorse every recommendation you and senator Heinrich and Senator Harris have set yourselves a little bit off from the report and saying that what do you have a problem with in this report that the other members don't well I guess I'd say two things one we need to make sure that we have a national response to this I mean we can't leave this just in the hands of what you know counties like Broward County to defend themselves against Russian intelligence and and-and-and and expect that we're gonna be able to protect the country that was a point of emphasis for us as much as anything else I would say what's much more important about this report is that it was issued and it was in a strong bipartisan way from the Senate Intelligence Committee and the conclusions that Russia attack this democracy in a very fundamental way is now unassailable and in front of the American people and one thing that's not redacted in the report are the recommendations that are made about how we need to approach this going forward so I think it's a good piece of bipartisan work that takes very seriously this assault by the Russians on our democracy in terms of those recommendations obviously one of the things that's been sort of mind-bending over these past couple of years as the extent of the Russian attack has become more clear and more firmly documented is that in the Senate under Mitch McConnell he really does not wanted to do anything it's not wanted to pass anything he's blocked even consideration of bipartisan legislation to do anything to change the way that we run our elections to try to stop this from happening again is there an expectation that since this is a bipartisan reports since chairman chairman burs is signed off on this that this might have been what McConnell was waiting for that he might allow some of these recommendations well I certainly hope so although just today he blocked two pieces of legislation from going to floor on election interference by the Russians one of which would have required candidates to inform the FBI when when there was interference from a foreign government the other one of which would have supplied resources to local governments so as far as my count is that Mitch McConnell has blocked eight such pieces of legislation maybe this report will jar that loose but you know the other problem he's dealing with this he's got a president who continues to deny that the Russians did this you know in in Helsinki stood next to Putin and took Putin's word on the world stage in Japan he he made a joke about this with Putin I can assure you that are the people that produced this report do not think this is a joke this is serious just like Western democracies all over Europe who are dealing with the fact that Russia's interfering in this way in their election so I think it's really important that our government and frankly our country have a strategic response to what Russia did in 16 we still haven't responded to that as a country and to make sure that we're coordinating Homeland Security the FBI and local governments to do a better job of making sure this doesn't happen again in 2020 one of the things will it will happen again we just need to make sure that we're defending against robber Moeller was very clear on that last point yesterday saying it is happening as we speak it will happen 2020 they expect it is also to my to my mind what was most striking to me about yesterday's testimony is how blunt Robert Muller was about the issue of potential compromise about how people in the president's campaign did things and had financial entanglements that absolutely exposed them to being extorted or compromised by Russia and the President did too director Muller then said that these are matters that were not within the purview of his report this is stuff that's been looked at or is being looked at by the FBI made me curious as a member of the Intelligence Committee if somebody has oversight over intelligence is that the sort of thing that you will that you and your committee will be able to pursue Muller is essentially saying that the FBI has been looking into the question of the president being compromised by Russia he didn't suggest that investigation is over well we know from the public record that there were numerous contacts between the campaign and the Russians though the president Trump denied that over and over again it's not true I can't speak to what we're doing inside the committee it just that wouldn't be right to do in terms of what the public doesn't know ask you one last quick question this is kind of what the report looks like today it's a uses a lot of toner it's really really redacted are we the public ever going to see any more of this or is this all we're ever gonna get I don't know I I think that this is a negotiation between the committee and the intelligence community I do think what's critical is that the public does know what we need to do as a country to respond to this and not not just to protect ourselves but to punish people who do this to the United States of America the first step there of course is having a president who's well to push back on tyrants that are attacking attacking the United States rather than coddling them and and a majority leader who can actually pass election protection legislation instead of blocking it from even coming up to a vote those would be two important steps forward to being to being able to deal with this very real threat Michael Bennett remember the Senate Intelligence Committee twenty20 presidential candidate it's always a pleasure to have you here so great great to see you rich I appreciate it sir thanks very much all right we'll be right back stay with us things that his congressional testimony yesterday one of them consistently was terse which made for at times a hearing that was difficult to watch but there were moments when even his terse answers came off as not just terse but direct and unequivocal and very surprising given the provocative nature of the question that he was being asked could you say director Morello that the president was credible I can't answer that question director Marella isn't it fair to say that the president's written answers were not only inadequate and incomplete because he didn't answer many of your questions but where he did his answer showed that he wasn't always being truthful there I would say generally and it fair to say that the president of RIT presidents written answers were not always truthful I would say generally lying is a sin right thou shalt not bear false witness lying is also a pain in the butt in a practical sense if you tell lies you have to remember what they are forever which is an act of rote memorization that might just fill you some day and expose you as a liar it's much easier to just tell the truth you never need to remember anything but if you lie to federal investigators that is something more than a sin or a pain in the butt that's a crime when Robert Muller said yesterday that the president was not truthful in his written statements to federal investigators that's a whole new problem we didn't have before and that's next thank you in your report you concluded the president Trump and his personal counsel Rudy Giuliani quote made repeated statements suggesting that a pardon was a possibility for metaphor while also making it clear that the President did not want mana fork to flip and cooperate with the government end quote is that correct red energy joining us now is congressman Pramila Jaya Paul from Washington she's a member of the House Judiciary Committee you saw her there questioning Robert MOA yesterday congressman I really appreciate you making time to be here thank you it's great to be with you Rachel first of all I have to tell you I've just been looking forward to talking to you about what you took away from this day of testimony your co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus very outspoken on the rise member of the Democratic caucus and recognized I think by all sides is that on the Judiciary Committee you had your own chance to question him what meant the most to you about molars testimony I think kind of the the most important pieces were that he repeatedly basically said that the president was lying on a number of things he was not completely exonerated he actually did have substantial evidence that the president committed acts of obstruction and we went through five of those in fairly granular detail and what robert muller didn't say didn't really matter because what he did is actually validate everything that was in his report that we know most people haven't read and most importantly we know bill Barr tried to mislead and lie to the American people and so as I was sitting there listening I just kept thinking about how the Republic kept actually asking things and reading things that helped us because they you know when Ken Buck asked Robert Muller can the president be prosecuted after he leaves office he asked that twice he seemed surprised by the answer there were other times where they read parts of the March 27th letter you know there were a number of times when I thought the Republicans felt very scattered in their approach I think that you noticed a big change from when they were with us to when they the the afternoon Intelligence Committee hearing they were much more gentle in some ways with Robert Muller because I think they came across as looking very Petty undermining this guy who has a long history of credibility working for a Republican president so to me it was a really important groundbreaking moment because we were able to get a lot of things on the table that we knew that were there but the American people did not there was one of the reasons I particularly wanted to talk to you tonight is because of your role on the Judiciary Committee I wanted to ask you about something that actually happened in the other committee hearing in the Intelligence Committee under questioning from congresswoman Val Demmings there was a like a jaw-dropping moment where she asked him if the President had been untruthful in his written testimony to investigators and director Muller said generally yes effectively that was the exchange to me that seemed like a very big deal particularly for your committee for the Judiciary Committee to have notice confirmed by director Muller that the president was untruthful in his written testimony to to to federal investigators that seems to me like a pretty serious allegation of criminal behavior on the part of the president I was wondering what you thought of the significance of that moment or am I reading too much into it no I thought it was very significant but don't forget that he has committed a number of acts and that's what we confirmed throughout I think Val Demmings questioning just confirmed another thing that we already knew which is that he is not generally truthful but that was true even in the acts of obstruction so if you look at the fact that he engaged in direct witness tampering the fact that he dangled a pardon the fact that he told men other people to lie the fact that he tried to get through corey lewandowski he tried to get the SPECIAL council fired i mean these are all acts that anybody else does these things they would be prosecuted and so I think we ended each of our pieces with that and I think Val's piece was the perfect capstone in some ways because this is a guy who is not truthful none of the people around him are truthful this is a campaign that was rife with contacts lying after you know and saying things didn't happen don't forget also that hope Hicks lied to us we are going to have hope picks back before the Judiciary Committee she said she had no knowledge of the hush-hush money that President Trump paid that turns out not to be true and so this is just a network of lies the president is sitting right in the middle spinning all of these lies and everybody around him is helping him to just continue to cover up congresswoman from Illinois Paul democratic member of the House Judiciary Committee co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus it is great to have you here thanks for being here too thanks so much very much had much more ahead stay with us there's no introduction on this program and for whom you require no explanation as to what he's doing here NBC News presidential historian Michael Beschloss I have been so looking forward to talking with you my friend thank you very much for making time Thank You Rachel when you watch the Robert Miller testimony yesterday did it seem to you like that word that we all bandy about way too easily now did it seem to you like an unprecedented thing or did it resonate with you as with other moments in American history it did resonate because you know you're looking at moments in which a special counsel testified or important witness like John Dean against Richard Nixon in 1973 so it was sort of like that but at the same time this was a special counsel of being almost dragged in there Rachel against his will and the reluctance you could see on his face all the time but I think their moments that will linger in one of them for me is something I didn't expect which is when he was talking about the attack on our democracy and he said I fear this is going to be the new normal that's something I think we'll be reading about in 20 years one of the things that I think happened immediately upon molar sitting down and starting to speak is that there was a lot of reaction to him as a human being to him as a man to his perceived sort of frailty the halting nature of his speech I think other fit I mean he's a he's a public figure who hasn't broken in public in a long time it's been part of the mystique around the special council and I do think that that was the instant impression that was hard to escape at the start of the hearing and then over the course of the day you realized that whatever you thought about his a fact he was actually delivering quite a ton of information a lot of it quite blockbuster I wondered if there was any sort of precedent for that or that sort of demeanor of a witness ends up being important or forgotten in the long run well this is TV and to some extent that's the reason why these hearings were staged and the fact that he was so reluctant I think probably to some extent undercut this we can think of other people who've testified before Congress and situations like this who are a lot more eager in terms of the Watergate precedent I was thinking about what you said about John Dean's famous testimony we look back on that forty-five years later and we get these hot moments from John Dean these samurai rights where he says incredibly devastating things but in fact in real time when Dean was giving his testimony it was wasn't reading like hundreds of pages of an opening statement that just went on for hours and hours and hours and hours with no interruption absolutely he was told not to use his contact lenses because it might make him blink so he got some little glasses and he was told by his lawyers to speak in a very low voice because he was going to speak for such a long time they didn't want his voice to get raspy and therefore perhaps not as believable as it would be the way he did Wow one of the other things that it seems to me is an important potential path from molars testimony is the issue of the president's finances I was struck by the fact that eight minutes after the molar hearings were gaveled to a close the president's lawyers were in court filing an emergency writ to try to block his tax returns from being released we've talked a number of times about how a historical it is that he's kept his tax returns from public food did you sense that there may be more urgency around that issue now certainly the White House seems more urgent about it might well be and there's a historical parallel to that because in 1973 Richard Nixon there was a leak from his taxes showed he had paid $1,000 in 1970 1971 and so therefore there was a clamor for Nixon to show why he had paid so so few dollars on very big income so he released his taxes 1969 to 1972 IRS looked at it so did the Joint Committee on taxation of the Congress they felt that he had underpaid his taxes by about four hundred and seventy five thousand dollars the diamond and the chandelier here rachel is that that committee also went to the IRS and said these years are not enough we want Nixon's taxes also from 1966 to 1968 and the IRS complied they do give up those tax returns now part of the

10 thoughts on “MSNBC's Rachel Maddow CAN'T STOP LAUGHING at Trump's speech in front of a FAKE LOGO

  1. Rachel. You should google Nostradamus , Edgar Cayce , Bubba Vanga predictions for 2016 – 2020. They are in a word. Interesting

  2. Americans, you now have the worst President ever, he is much like Hitler and he try everything to stay in WH, war or what ever. He know he go to jail, if he dont stay YOUR Liar Chief 😐🙄

  3. This is not the boy scouts. Its amazing his bone spurs didn't hold him back from sports or ribbons. Why is this happening in the US and who is letting their teens go to a brainwashing event. If your children are too young to think critically don't let them go to cult events. Teach them some ethics and morals instead.

  4. WTF Bad Movie President. The staffer who projected that doctored presidential seal has beeen let go.

  5. I am reminded of a conversation with a WW II vet. He was old and I was young……He went ashore at Normandy a few days after D Day. The one thing he still felt guilty about was the Hitler Youth that had been fed into German combat forces. The Hitler-loyal teenagers fought bravely but didn't last long……….I see The Donald running a youth event……with adoring teens………am afraid…..Is this presentation being used on the thousands of children who have been separated from their now deported parents? …….. joe

  6. To be fair, Trump seemed pretty high on something during that speech. He probably wasn't sure what country he was in at the time. Besides how is he expected to know what the presidential seal looks like? All he knows is that his picture isn't on it. Yet.

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