Laughter is the Best Medicine

Pete Holmes: “Comedy Sex God” | Talks at Google

[MUSIC PLAYING] [APPLAUSE] PETE HOLMES: Hello. Hi. Hi, everybody. Hello. Thank you. That’s very nice. I’m used to standing. I want to be–
thank you so much. Is it weird that I was,
like, we sold out Google? What if no one was here? This would have been
so heartbreaking for me if no one was here. So thank you for being here. There was a guy who had Sonic
the hedgehog as his wallpaper, so I already feel
comfortable and at home. Thanks for being here. I don’t have a Pixel phone. Neither do you. You’re fired. Oh, it’s a Pixel. Excuse me. I’m so sorry. That’s the Google phone? It’s a wonderful– I
don’t know– it’s great. It’s wonder– you guys
probably work on it, right? I shouldn’t make fun of it. It’s probably a great phone. How’s this going so far? Anyway, thanks for
having me, seriously. And thank you for
wearing leather pants. MEGAN GREEN: For you, any time. PETE HOLMES: Thank
you very much. You’re ready to fall
off a motorbike. MEGAN GREEN: So this is– PETE HOLMES: How is this going? MEGAN GREEN: I think
it’s great so far. I’m just going to
let you have the mic, and I’m going to leave. PETE HOLMES: No, don’t leave. MEGAN GREEN: Don’t leave you? PETE HOLMES: Yes. You read the book. MEGAN GREEN: I
did read the book. PETE HOLMES: That means a lot. MEGAN GREEN: I did my homework. PETE HOLMES: I also like
that you were just like, just buy one. Guys, just buy one. MEGAN GREEN: I’m
your best sales rep. PETE HOLMES: Like,
when there’s a birthday and you have to go around and
collect money because they consider that a gift. MEGAN GREEN: Yes. PETE HOLMES: I know
what’s going on at Google. Do you guys know what’s
going on at Google? That was an inside joke. She said that you don’t
get cupcakes for each other because you have to
buy them yourself. MEGAN GREEN: It’s true. PETE HOLMES: It’s just
you guys at YouTube. These guys give each
other birthday gifts. MEGAN GREEN: It’s true. PETE HOLMES: How’s this going? [LAUGHTER] He went like this! I would have accepted– OK, anyway– MEGAN GREEN: ? I’m enjoying myself. PETE HOLMES: Good, I’m glad. MEGAN GREEN: So
I’ve seen a couple of articles where they’ve said,
so are you a comedy sex god? Is that what this book is about? PETE HOLMES: Yeah. MEGAN GREEN: It’s not. You’ve made that clear. PETE HOLMES: No, most of the
sex in the book is with myself. MEGAN GREEN: Yeah. But I kind of think
of it– there’s like this Venn diagram,
of comedy, sex, and god. And then there’s you in the
middle of this Venn diagram. But tell everyone
a little bit about, what is the overall relationship
that you’ve discovered between comedy, sex, and god? PETE HOLMES: Well
really, it’s sex and god. Comedy has been my through-line. That’s what I do. I do comedy. And sex and god are so
closely intertwined. It really doesn’t matter if
you grew up spiritual or not or religious or not. I think everybody knows that
sexuality and our bodies, in general, are a soft spot. And shame is a great
motivator for people that are trying to
control other people, whether it be a
religion or anybody. Because– that’s why they
wrote “Everybody Poops,” you know what I mean? That’s to address shame. You’re, like, what’s
happening in my butt? You need a book to
be, like, it’s normal. And then, when it
comes to sexual function, unfortunately, in the
church that I was raised in, a lot of people– you were told that
that was pure evil. So god and sexuality were
so closely linked for me because I wasn’t tempted– this is real. I was a sweet boy. I wasn’t tempted to steal. I wasn’t tempted to lie or
cheat or be a– can I swear? MEGAN GREEN: Sure. PETE HOLMES: Be an asshole. MEGAN GREEN: But now you are. PETE HOLMES: Being an asshole? MEGAN GREEN: No. PETE HOLMES: How dare you. But I was– obviously, once I
hit puberty, you have this sin. And I don’t mean that. I’m just saying this is the
word that the church used. You have a sin baked
into your physiology, and that is cognitive
and physical dissonance. So many people that I
know that we’re raised spiritual ended up
leaving their spirituality for very understandable
reasons because they were at odds with their very being. And we were given a
transactional model of love from the universe
or from the mystery or from the void or from god or
whatever you want to call it. But we thought this
thing didn’t like what we were for being what we were. So naturally and
understandably, for that and a multitude
of other reasons, people left their faith. And I was one of them. I left because my wife left
me, and I was suffering, and my model of god didn’t
match with that protection plan, basically. I thought god was supposed to
protect me from bad things, and then he didn’t hold
up his end of the bargain. So then I wrote this book. Nobody asked me to
write this book. [LAUGHTER] You know what I mean? You can always tell
when a comedian is just kind of doing a cash-in
book, you know what I mean? Where, it’s, like, you holding a
McDonald’s bag, and it’s, like, they forgot the ketchup packets. And it’s, like, a memoir in
jokes and farts or whatever. And you know they
were just doing it because they’re having
a moment, and they want to make some money. And there’s nothing
wrong with that. These are my people. I love them. But I wanted to write
a book about the things that I think are valuable
for everybody– atheists, agnostics, spiritual people. It doesn’t matter. The philosophies
and the techniques and the practices that
are valuable– the babies from the bath, basically. Let’s get rid of that judgment. Let’s get rid of that shame. Let’s get rid of that hell. Let’s get rid of that,
you are fucking garbage, and you need to be spited– what’s the past tense of spite? I don’t know. Spoten? You need to be spoten. And let’s see– why do
these stories kick around? Why do they fill such gaps in
our collective subconscious? Why do they minister to some
people and not to others? Well, what are the good
parts that we can rescue? And I thought, you
know, nobody’s ever going to ask me to do that. I’ll just do it. MEGAN GREEN: I love that. So one of the things
you talk about, in the first page
of the book is, like, what are we doing here? PETE HOLMES: Yeah. MEGAN GREEN: What are we
doing here, Pete Holmes? PETE HOLMES: I know. What are we doing here? Isn’t that nice? The best thing I can
offer us, really– not just more information. You guys are doing great. If you work here,
you must be doing great with your intelligence
and your cognition and your retention. So the best thing– yeah,
your linguistic skills. Your aromas. What I’m saying
is, the best thing that I can offer anybody
and anybody can offer is just a little
bit of presence. And this book is not
a book of answers. I write in the book that
trying to understand infinite– infinity, excuse me,
which we all sort of agree we’re floating in right now– fucking crazy. We never think about it. It’s overwhelming, so
we don’t think about it. But you were born flying. You’re flying right now. You’ll die flying. You’re flying and spinning. It’s crazy. And none of us know
what’s going on. I sort of write about that. I say, it’s like
we’re dogs trying to understand the internet. I can’t explain the
internet to my dog, and you can’t explain
infinite to me. But we can use symbol systems
and stories and methods to quiet our minds
and experience it– like, feel it. There’ll never be a god
worth worshipping or even calling god that we can house
in the four walls of our brain. We want one. The Western model–
man, we want one so bad. I want one. It would be great to
have one– the model, the theory, everything, and
just write it down and have it. Because then we can
do what we’ve always done with religion– is exclude
and be, like, we have it. You don’t have it. We’re in. You’re out. We’re saved. You’re going to burn. It’s nonsense. Dogs and the internet– that’s us. And that’s OK. What I’m saying is,
the way to spirituality is almost more like the way
you appreciate a painting. There’s a chapter
in the book where I talk about going
to a museum, and I realize that I went to a
museum to think about art, you know what I mean? You ever watch dancers,
and you’re just thinking about dancing? You’re, like, wow,
are they related? You know, you’re just,
like, how many times do they practice that? You’re missing it. And I see people
do this at the Met. You go to the Met, people
are going room to room, just going, OK, I saw that one. You’re thinking later, someone’s
going to ask you, well, did you see the– did
you see the Monets? Yeah, I saw them. You’re living, you’re
living for later. And the art that’s
going to move you, it’s always in the next room. It’s never the one
you’re looking at. And even the one
you’re looking at, you’re, like, it’s
not that great. Look at– the “Mona
Lisa” is so small. I know that’s not in the Met. I’m just saying, like,
you’re looking at someone, that’s kind of stupid. It’s just paint. You’re right, it’s just paint. Can you quiet down a little bit? You could get more out of
one painting in the Met if you just sat
with it and tried to quiet your analytical,
comparative mind, which is beautiful. We are in a monument to the
analytical, comparative mind. And I am a great benefactor
of the analytical, comparative mind. It got me here with directions. It vaccinated my baby,
you know what I’m saying? I am not anti-science at all. What I’m saying is
when we try to apply the Greek logic, binary system
of reason to things like god, it’s in the same way we’re
misunderstanding art or sex or poetry or jazz, music. That’s the space that I’m trying
to say the mystery belongs in. But of course, in
the West, we’ve turned it into, as I already
said, it’s exclusion! We got it, and you don’t! And that’s what my church was. We got it, and they don’t. Even other types of
Christians– like, I’m from Boston
where white people are racist to other
types of white people. Christians are exclusive to
other types of Christians. Same god, but you’re–
oh, you’re doing it wrong. Everybody was out. But when you realize
that, like, isn’t it weird that your group is always
the group that’s in, it’s the one that
you were born into, that your parents tell you–
that your country embraces. The first step, for
me, for freedom, or you could say
enlightenment, or whatever, is to realize if I was born
in India, I’d be a Hindu. You know what I’m saying? And you have to
say, yeah, you’re god damn right, I’d be a Hindu. I’d be a Hindu. That’s– I know
you guys know this. You guys are way beyond this. I’m just saying this
is the sort of message I’m trying to get out
there, which is, we need to admit that we don’t know. But beyond that,
and just saying, well, it stops there, what can
we take with us, not to know it and to know that we
know it and to brag that we know it, but
to experience it, to have some here and now now. Because even some
of us, when I was talking about floating
on a planet, ooh, the colors in the room just
kind of come out a little bit. I’m not talking about
getting into heaven later. I’m talking about
experiencing the vitality and the juice and the sex. I don’t mean sexual intercourse. I mean the attraction
of the world, of life, that you’re a
part of, that you were born into with inherent dignity. You’re a part of the lawful
unfolding of the universe. That’s good news. We turned it into, believe
this, or go to hell. That’s terrib–
that’s shitty news. But to wake up to your
participation in something that’s more like an undulating,
recycling, infinite fountain– when you wake up to
that, that’s liberation. And that’s fun. And then you can do
everything you’re doing. I can be a comedian. You can be a programmer,
whatever it is. I learned some tips while
I was at the urinal. [LAUGHTER] Yeah, play the game. Get excited about
the new Pixel phone, whatever you’re going to do. Just don’t get lost in it. And I’m sorry. I know I’m ranting,
but it’s like– or I’m going on a tear. I don’t know what you
want to call this. But it’s, like, why? I don’t want you to
believe what I believe. But for me, joy and
peace only exist in your base consciousness, in
your unencumbered awareness. The word that mystics
use for this is soul. We don’t have to agree
that there is a soul. But we can agree that
there was something in you when you were born. The lights flipped on,
and that’s your awareness. And then around
that awareness, we build what Freud and
Jung call the false self. This is the story we tell. I’m a man. I’m a woman. I’m American. I’m from Pakistan, whatever
it is, that’s your story. I like cheese. I don’t like cheese. I like the first three “Batman”
movies– whatever it is. That’s just all bullshit. That’s all just nonsense. It’s a fun game to play, but
it’s not who you really are. Who you really are is
what’s looking out your eyes right now, just that,
and that is you. Isn’t that great? And all we’re doing
is reflecting back to each other like– I look at you and I go,
yeah, you’re a woman. Hey, woman! Hey, you, you work at YouTube! And we just– Ram Dass says we
reassure everybody that our suits are on
correctly– our space suits. I’ll pretend you are who you
think you are if you pretend who I am, who I think I am. But my baby– I just had a baby. She has no story to sell. She’s just a baby. This is why we love
being around babies. They’re not trying to
convince you of anything. They don’t know that– she
doesn’t know she’s a girl. She doesn’t know she’s white. She doesn’t know she’s American. She doesn’t have
any preferences. Or she does now. She’s seven months, so
she’s building some. She’s coding them. But in her early
stages, she just was, and that’s what it is. In the Old Testament,
when Moses asked god what his name is, all
this new-agey nonsense– it’s in the Old Testament. He says, I am. So god is saying that
god is I am-ness. We can all agree on that. These are just symbol systems. Judaism is just a symbol system. It’s a great one. Christianity is just
a symbol system. But science is pointing to the
same fundamental mysteries. In fact, physics is doing a
much better job showing us that we’re all one thing than
religion ever has, nowadays. Because they have
data, and we love that. That’s really fun to
go, like, oh, this is all– the air is made of the
same molecules as me and you, and there’s no separation. It’s all an illusion. It’s really great stuff. But yeah. It’s am-ness. But why get in touch
with your I am-ness? It’s because that’s
where peace is. You can calm down your
anxieties by rationalizing them or problem solving or,
going, like, think big-picture or doing some positive
thinking technique. It’s nonsense. And a fresh batch of anxiety
and dread is coming for you. So the only way to
get around it is to dis-identify with the
story, with the person that’s experiencing the story, with the
false self, with the small self and to identify with the part
of you that’s witnessing it. Science would call that
your consciousness. And when you realize that
you are consciousness, and that you didn’t
come into this world– as Alan Watts says, “You
didn’t come into this world. You came out of this world.” You didn’t, like–
you’re not a visitor. You are– it is
like “The Matrix.” You’re like– it’s
like Mario Brothers. You’re made of the same pixels
as the mushrooms and Luigi, you know? I know you know. This is your world. What you guys do is a micro
version of what’s happening. There is a language. There’s a code. There are the pixels. That’s you. You’re a part of this program. And that’s where peace is. You can’t feel it in your
ego, except for five seconds. You eat ice cream on the
beach, and you’re, like, wow, I’ve really done it. And this is Ram Dass. Ram Dass says you eat
the ice cream, then what? You want water. Then you have to
go the bathroom. Then you want lunch. Then you’re bored,
and you watch a movie. Then you’re bored– it’s 2019,
then you watch nine movies. Then you’re tired. You go to bed. Then you wake up,
and you’re groggy. Then you want coffee. Then you’ve got to
go to the bathroom. Then you want breakfast. Then you want the
train to go faster. It’s endless. There’s no peace
to be found here. The peace that Jesus and Buddha
and Krishna and everybody’s pointing you to has nothing
to do with being nice, has nothing to do
with being moral, or a decent guy, or well-liked,
or successful, or a capitalist. Fuck th– no, none of that. It’s about real–
all that mysticism is, realize who you really are. I don’t care what you believe. Like I said,
atheist, agnostic, it doesn’t matter if
you like signposts. Do you want signposts? We got religion. You don’t want one, fine. Get there however you get there. That’s what it is. Realize who you really are. Realize your inherent
worthiness and value and place-ness in this. And that’s where peace is. Let’s talk about comedy. MEGAN GREEN: Wow. [LAUGHTER] PETE HOLMES: I told
you I’m a talker. MEGAN GREEN: I know. You would have made a
good youth minister. That’s absolutely– PETE HOLMES: That’s
what my mom wanted. MEGAN GREEN: I know. So you tell some of
the same stories. I’ve seen a lot of your
content, whether it’s been through “Crashing”
or in the book or even in your stand-up. For example, you talked about
how you proposed to your wife in a hot air balloon. PETE HOLMES: Yeah. MEGAN GREEN: What
was it like writing these stories versus telling
them in a stand-up routine or telling them through TV? PETE HOLMES: Yeah,
that’s a great question. MEGAN GREEN: Thank you. PETE HOLMES: And I’ve never
been asked that question. I feel bad. Yeah! MEGAN GREEN: Thank you. PETE HOLMES: In-house talent. She did some stand-up, too. I don’t know if
she told you that. MEGAN GREEN: It’s
happening after the show. It’s a post-show. PETE HOLMES: OK, yeah. We’re going to do a show. I’m going to open for you. It’s going to be wonderful. MEGAN GREEN: It’s my dream. PETE HOLMES: You
know, it’s weird. Even when I talk
about this stuff, it’s a little bit different
than it is in a book. I like talking because you can
feel that feedback, you know. Even when you guys
are being quiet, when you laugh, when
you pull back, I swear, there’s like a
frequency people– or maybe it’s a pheromone. Or it’s probably a sound
or facial expressions or something I’m putting
together based on, like, oh, I’m losing them. You know, so that’s when you
go, like, how am I doing? So you’re trying
to, you know find– there’s a give and a take in
a live talk, which I benefit– that’s my favorite medium. So when I was writing, say, a
story like the hot air balloon story, which I told in
my stand-up special, you can’t just write
it the way you said it. Because you can see
how I communicate. I like faces. I like just sounds and all
that sort of silliness. So you can’t just
write, like, imagine a guy who sort of
looks like Zach Braff if he let himself go. And he’s making a weird face. It’s, like, it doesn’t work. So you have to figure out– you have to look
at other authors that you like, like David
Sedaris or whatever, and be like, how do
they create a music? Because a book is like
stand-up, but it’s up to the reader to do the
timing, you know what I mean? You can’t control
how they read it. So sometimes it’s the
architecture of the page. You’ll do an unnecessary
paragraph break just to slow them down. Or you’ll do a page break
just to slow them down. Or in a perfect world,
like, the big punch-line’s on the next page. Those are ways that you can
use the formatting of the book to prevent someone
from reading it wrong. Because I don’t know. If you’re like me, sometimes
I’ll be reading a paragraph, and I’ll think I’ll have a
guess on where it’s going. And I’ll kind of scan
it for the words. Like, they’re talking
about Bill Clinton, so I’ll look for Bill Clinton. And lo and behold, at
the end there’s, like, and that man was Bill Clinton. And I’m like, ha! I knew it. And then I go back and read it. So you’re looking for ways
to control their experience, which, again, I
have to imagine is what a lot of you guys are
in the business of doing– is imagining someone you
couldn’t possibly know. How are they going
to interact with what it is that you’re making to
control or hopefully optimize their experience? There’s a similar thing
going on in storytelling. That’s probably why it feels
natural to do what you’re doing, even though we have
no historic context for what you’re doing. It is– you’re telling stories. You’re telling
some sort of story. MEGAN GREEN: That’s interesting. So a lot of the
book is obviously about the relationship
between sex and the church. Do you think the church–
how do you think we– that the church should
be reforming how they’re teaching kids about sex? PETE HOLMES: Yeah, you
know, it’s a little bit– MEGAN GREEN: Or should they be? PETE HOLMES:
Divisive, I suppose. But there’s– it’s in the
ballpark of child abuse, I think, to tell somebody
that they’re going to hell. Because kids believe you. You sort of forget that. Do you remember what it
was like being a kid, and the world is just legs? There’s just giants everywhere
that can reach things and seem to know things. They tell you not
to swallow your gum, and they tell you not to eat
the peppers at the bottom of your Chinese food. And they know everything. And remember when you believed
anything anybody would tell you? Being gullible, as a kid,
is such a huge thing. Kids would trick other kids. Remember, sometimes we’d tell
a joke that had no punchline, and then we’d all laugh
just to get another kid to laugh, and then be,
like, why was that funny? And like, that’s what
it’s like to be a kid. If you can tell them that
we’re floating on a planet, why are they stupid for
believing that, in Arizona, there are still dinosaurs? You know what I mean? Why is that less preposterous? But kids are gullible, and
we’re trying to make sense, so we’re looking to the legs. We’re looking to the grown-ups. And then a lot of grown-ups,
obviously, acting out a lot of their damage and
a lot of their psychology, which I have compassion
for and empathy for, but that leads to a fear-based,
transactional relationship with god. We’ve made a god that is like
us instead of the other way around. And again, when I use
god, I just mean this. I mean everything. And when I look at the world,
I don’t see judgment and fear. I see flow. I see grace. I see a dance. I see play. And you know what else I see? I see thousands of
types of flowers. But it’s so funny. We just try to make every– like, if I’m a daisy,
I just go around trying to make everybody a daisy. But what I see are innumerable
flowers, each of them loved indiscriminately
by light and by rain from above that grow
and are cherished and are equal parts
of this world. So I see a god or a mystery
or this that loves diversity. And yet, we are afraid,
and we’re small, and we’re clinging
to our meaning, and we’re damaged by our wounds. So we go around projecting
a god that is also doing that– that’s also
angry, that’s also xenophobic, that’s homophobic,
that sex-phobic. It’s everything-phobic. All of us. It’s us. We’ve made us. Big us in the sky
with the beard. And he hates who we hate. He never hates us. He hates who we hate. And that’s how you
can really smell that you’re full of shit is, if
your god hates what you hate. Yeah. Fuck yourself. [LAUGHTER] Look at the world. That’s what Jesus is doing. That’s how I was raised. That’s why I know
so much Jesus stuff. But Jesus– all his
disciples are, like, we’re being occupied by Rome. Look at all this. And he’s like– Jesus is always, like,
look at the flowers. He’s always going,
look at the flowers. Look at the birds. Look at that tree. He keeps pointing
people to nature because that is the flow
that we’re a part of. And then our
stories and our egos and all this stuff that
we’ve lost control over has built this false
world– this Maya. And that’s where so much
of this pain and suffering and exclusion comes from. So I would reform it by
stopping all of that. MEGAN GREEN: So
for people who find that their religious or
political beliefs change from that of how they were
raised– sometimes that causes strain with their families. Do you have any
advice for people who end up going in
a different direction or on a different path? PETE HOLMES: Yeah. One of my favorite things that
Jesus says that no one ever quotes is that he
says, I didn’t come to bring peace, but a sword. Everybody thinks he’s
this board-game loving, booze-turning-down Republican. And he’s not. He’s not. He’s an anti-capitalist
hippy that loved prostitutes and homeless people. And he said straight-up, I
didn’t come to bring peace. I came to bring a sword. I came to turn brother
against brother. This is one of those
verses that nobody quotes. And what does he mean by that? He means, when you
start to wake up, other egos aren’t
going to like it. If you start saying
your game is play, your game is just an illusion,
it’s fine to play it, but it’s not the real, other
egos get very mad at that. And yeah, you’re
going to lose friends. Christ’s journey, whether
it’s literal or not– it really is not
important to me– it’s modeling how energy
moves in the universe. You want change,
you get death first. Then you get crucifixion. This is why this story is–
it’s– look to the first “Iron Man” film if you want a
secular version of this. You want to change an
ego, if you’ve ever seen one, Tony Stark, he has
to die in a cave, in a cave. I know you guys–
you’re smart people. I’m just saying
the cave is inside. The heart turns to light. He builds a suit. He uses his intellect,
to beat his intellect, and he creates a new heart. Are you fucking kidding me? It’s right in
front of our faces. It’s everywhere. And then he emerges,
and he’s reborn. That’s how energy
moves in the world. You want change?
you have to die. You want change? You’re going to
lose some friends. You want change? You’re going to have some
awkward Thanksgivings. It’s OK. But here’s the great thing. It’s how it goes. I’m really obsessed right now
with movies like “Green Book” where a guy, a racist
guy goes on a road trip with a black guy, and then
he becomes not racist, right? This is common. We see this all the time. A pastor will have a
son, and the son is gay. Suddenly, the dad, the pastor,
is scouring the scriptures for versus that are pro-gay. It’s hard to find pro,
except the Old Testament. So he starts building a
different theology, right? He’s been converted. Why? Because he loves his son. So this guy falls in
love with the black guy, and he becomes not a racist. The pastor has a son that’s
gay, and he’s not homophobic anymore. This is what happens. You go on a road trip
with a trans person, and– I’ll make it even better. The trans person saves
your life, right? Suddenly, you’re not trans– if you were transphobic at the
beginning, you go on this trip. you have three months with them. You share stories. You break bread. They save your life. Now you’re, like, I get it! You’re converted. But here’s the thing. You have to have the
conversion experience without– you have to have the
conversion, excuse me, without the
conversion experience. We don’t have time for everyone
to go on 375 road trips. You need to go into the
place inside of you, not where you think about love,
not where you rationalize love, where you are love. Where you are yes. The same yes that’s holding
my molecules together, that’s keeping everything on
the planet, that made gravity. I’m not saying a conscious
man that made gravity. I’m saying, that is gravity. Find that place in you
that is, I love and shower and shine light on
all the flowers. Find that in you. It’s quiet, but it’s there. And then you can be converted
without a fucking road trip. And that’s why,
when you said that, I was thinking that the parents. They’re all a road trip
away from understanding. So we have to have
compassion on people. If somebody is in
the third grade, we don’t go, like,
those idiots– because you’re in
the fifth grade– You just go, like, yeah,
I was in third grade, too. Like, I don’t eat meat. I don’t go around shaming
people that eat meat. That’s ridiculous. I ate meat for 36 years. You know what I’m saying? And I could’ve been
hit by a bus that day, and then I just would’ve
been a meat eater. What? So then I changed. But who cares? Like I can’t go around– like,
it’s when people stop smoking. And the week they stop smoking,
they start telling smokers, you know it kills you. It’s like, you– I’m you. And that’s– when you realize
that it’s all one thing, that’s when you start
having compassion. You can just go,
like, oh, that’s the universe being this
or that or this or that. But it’s all just– eventually, we’re all going
to take our masks off, and we’ll be backstage. You understand? I don’t mean you– your ego
is going to be in heaven. That’s silly, that idea. Literally, like, I’m not
going to be, like, I’m Pete. I’m in heaven. I did it. I knew my book would get me in. I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about, somehow, that
I do not understand, I believe, at some point, we’re all
going to have a good laugh. Whether that’s literal
or not, I don’t know. MEGAN GREEN: A lot of the
book, and even “Crashing” came from this
place of challenges. And I know that
one of the themes is getting something
out of these challenges. Some of those challenges
were a divorce with your wife that then led you to
lose faith in the church. PETE HOLMES: Yeah. MEGAN GREEN: So are you
grateful for these things that have happened? Have they– they’ve
obviously given you a unique point of view. PETE HOLMES: Yeah. Again, going back
to the bus thing. So I did– my wife did leave
me, and I lost my faith. And then yeah, I got a– that helped me make a TV show
and helped me write a book. So that’s normally
what people mean when they say everything
happens for a reason. And usually, my stomach
turns when people say that. I hate when people say that. And they usually mean
stories like mine. Look to Pete Holmes. His wife left him, but
then he turned it into HBO. It’s nonsense. I could’ve been hit by a bus
the day after my wife left me. Then what? Then what was the reason? I died sad and divorced. Where’s your reason? You know what I mean? What I explore in the book
is the idea that things are happening, lawfully,
let’s say, fountain, undulating fountain– just in the way the ocean
waves are coming in lawfully. They’re obeying a
certain set of rules. So we’re undulating
in the fountain. And they’re happening. And they’re not
happening for a reason that applies to your story,
to your false or small self. That’s stupid. That’s just American
go get them. That’s just bootstraps thinking. Like, I got hit by a car,
but then I lost my job. But then I got that new job,
and that’s where I met Helen. And that’s what we mean. And that’s when we go, do
you believe in god now? It’s like, that’s nonsense. That’s wish fulfillment. You know what I mean? That’s the lottery–
that’s the slot machine god, who, we believe in
him when he pays out. Right? Bullshit. That’s giving god the
same transactional if/then bullshit love that we don’t want
from him, so we or her or it, we do it to that. It’s stupid. It’s going both ways. It’s ridiculous. But when you wake up or start
to embody what I believe is going on is that suffering– and it’s hard– I do not
recommend saying this to people who are suffering. But in my experience, suffering
can have a sandpaper quality to your consciousness,
not to you, your story. That, as Buddha would say,
all that stuff is on fire. The cup’s already broken. Your life’s already over. All the stuff that you’re
acquiring and your special-ness and my book and my TV. It’s all gone. Zoom out. It’s gone. It’s gone. It’s fine. It’s gone. What really matters is the
quality and spaciousness of your consciousness. I don’t believe that you’re
going to be on your deathbed and go, remember
the food at Google? MEGAN GREEN: I might. PETE HOLMES: Right. I don’t think those
are the things that are going to give us
comfort in those moments. I really don’t. I think a lot of us
are living, like, we’ll be like, remember that? That was pretty fun. I think what we
want to cultivate– and this is Taoism– if you find your
way in the morning, you can gladly go
in the evening. It’s the idea of
cultivating a spaciousness to your consciousness
and an identification with who you really are so that
you can detach from what dies and what continues. Again, I don’t think
your ego continues. I’m saying what play
you’re a part of. So suffering, in my
experience, can be the, as Ram Dass says, “the grist
for the mill,” or the sandpaper that kind of polishes you. Because when I’m suffering,
I’m clinging less to my life. I don’t even want it. So it’s this way
of saying, OK, who is it that doesn’t want this? Who’s watching the suffering? Who’s hearing the thoughts? Who is it that’s,
like, I’m hungry? Who’s noticing the hunger
and then reporting it to your brain? That’s you. And the suffering is to help
us lighten up or enlighten up and realize our true identity. As I already said,
that’s mysticism. You’re not who
you think you are. That’s what everybody is saying. That’s what everybody’s
pointing to. MEGAN GREEN: Let’s
talk about comedy. PETE HOLMES: Yeah, sure. Let’s talk about
diarrhea and dick. I keep getting so deep. MEGAN GREEN: Got to
bring you back out. So in the book, you actually
talk a lot about a whole scene that you’ve been a part of
and with Mulaney and Kumail and people who’ve
been your friends, who you’ve worked with on
your podcast on your show. You’ve really thrived
off of this network. Can you talk a little bit
about what that was like? Does that exist today? PETE HOLMES: Yeah. Sometimes, people would
call bullshit on “Crashing” because they were, like,
well, I’m a comedian, and that’s not my experience. And maybe– I bet
you can relate. I think anybody
in any profession can relate that they’re, like,
people don’t help people. You know what I mean? And my show– the TV show
is all about comedians. And the book tells these
stories of Mulaney or Kumail, we’re all helping each other. And whenever a comedian
would be like, that’s– my friends don’t help me. I’d go, get new friends. You’re with the wrong circle. We would call it comedy cancer. I know that it’s not funny to
talk about ca– what I’m saying is it would kill you. It’s going to take you down. Everybody that I know that was
a hater or always comparing what other people got and
what they should have got and who sucks, even
though they got this and that and the other– they all stopped. It choked them out. They couldn’t do it. And I found people like
Mulaney and Kumail and a lot– too many to count– that were in the same
sort of frequency as me, there was competition,
obviously. I write about a moment in the
book where I get a talk show. And John Mulaney
said, true jealousy. And I was, like, that’s
the only compliment a comedian can really give is
to admit that you’re jealous. So there was that going on,
but we were kind about it. And especially if you’re
trying to do something creative or, I don’t know,
like an outlying sort of thing, you need some allies, even
if it is a lone-wolf thing like doing stand-up. MEGAN GREEN:
Microdosing and shrooms. So there’s– PETE HOLMES: Who’s microdosing? The first thing I
said when I got here– I was like, who’s microdosing? No one’s microdosing! Who’s microdosing? I’m not a– I know
I look like a narc. I’m not a narc. You don’t have to
tell me on camera. I microdosed LSD recently
for the first time. And I told you, I
was like, it felt like I had meditated
for an hour, took half a Xanax, and
a shot of Espresso. And it was– I
don’t know if you’ve done any of those things, but
imagine three of them together. It was pretty wonderful. And psychedelics are
a part of my story– is that, here I am talking
about the mystery and the void and the infinite
and all this stuff. That’s really
different if you’ve had a mystical experience,
for lack of a better term. And one of the
easiest ways you can– I don’t know. You could fast for 40 days or
live in a cave or something. But you can also just
buy some mushrooms from a roadie at Bonnaroo. And that’s what I did. And I was not intending– I was intending to enjoy MGMT. I wasn’t planning on
meeting god again. But that’s what my favorite– one of my favorite authors,
Richard Rohr– he says, you don’t come to god
by doing it right. You come to god
by doing it wrong. Or you could take
that word wrong out. You just come by
doing it, whatever it is, including eating
drugs at the music festival in Tennessee. And what was really important
about that experience, whether or not you ever
do psychedelics, was, it was very helpful to
me to have something that was trans-rational,
and not irrational, but actually beyond rationality. There were no terms. There were no rulers I
could measure it with. There was no language I
could– it was ineffable. I couldn’t talk about it. And that’s what sort of
opened my heart to the idea– I wasn’t ready to
accept it– but the idea that maybe that’s what authors
of holy books were doing was, they were using
myth and metaphor to talk about dogs
and the internet, to tell dogs about the internet. Because once I came down from
my trip, I was, like, it’s gone. It evaporated like
a crazy dream. But it had changed my body. I still remembered
it in my body. And I did my best. I wrote a chapter called
“Mushrooms,” and I didn’t– when I read it, it makes me
feel like I’ve microdosed. So I think I did a good job. But it’s very, very
hard to talk about. And that’s why I was,
like, if we can’t even explain a psychological
phenomenon like hallucination, what chance do we
have to explain– you could call it the
singularity or god, the infinite point,
speck of mass that erupted into
everything here, including your juice bar
and your massage parlor. MEGAN GREEN: Well, my
favorite line, actually, is when you say it was like
Kermit meeting Jim Henson. PETE HOLMES: Yeah,
Kermit turning his head and seeing Jim Henson. MEGAN GREEN: I’m going to
open it up to questions. PETE HOLMES: Isn’t that fun? Can you imagine? Ah! [LAUGHTER] I hope god is Jim Henson. My god, that would be awesome. MEGAN GREEN: So feel free to
join us at the microphones. I’m going to ask one
last question first. PETE HOLMES: Sure. MEGAN GREEN: Which is, I’ve
read somewhere that this is, like, season four of “Crashing.” So for fans of
“Crashing,” I don’t know how you feel
about that description. I don’t know what we
would have seen Pete do. PETE HOLMES: Yeah. MEGAN GREEN: Like
would we have seen Pete reach spiritual
enlightenment in season four? But what’s the relationship? PETE HOLMES: I mean,
we were talking about doing a mushroom
episode and an episode where I got a talk show. So I think it is
accurate that, if you liked “Crashing,”
that this is sort of the fourth and fifth season. Because we always mapped it
out that I would eventually meet my wife, and that’s
covered in the book, and that I would eventually
find some sort of equanimity, and that’s in the book. So yeah, I think that’s
an accurate description. MEGAN GREEN: Cool. All right. Let’s start over here. AUDIENCE: Hi. PETE HOLMES: Hi. AUDIENCE: First, thank you
very much for being here. PETE HOLMES: Yeah, thanks. AUDIENCE: So I guess I
have a question geared more towards the process
of making a switch. PETE HOLMES: Uh-huh. AUDIENCE: You know, you
mentioned this is what it was, and this is what it is now. And so I guess that idea of
the space in between, right? Most people don’t wake up in
the morning and say, oh, I’ve– now I completely think
of something else. PETE HOLMES: Right. AUDIENCE: And I
think you touched on it a little bit by
talking about your families, the awkward Thanksgivings– but right. So I came from like a
very similar background in the deep south. I’ve lost everything
including the accent. [LAUGHTER] And so I guess I would
just love to hear your thought on that
transformation of how it changes. PETE HOLMES: Yeah. I think it’s wonderful. Because I’ve been writing
this book for three years. So even while I was doing
it, the transformation was happening. I think it’s really
important to note, too, that there were times
when I was editing it, and I didn’t even
agree with myself. You know what I’m saying? It’s not a flaw in the system
that we’re not always there, for lack of a better term. That place where–
we all feel it. Sometimes you have it at
a concert or having sex or whatever it might be. You just feel that bliss. You feel that OK-ness,
that, big O, OK-ness. And I would have to
edit a book about that when I was hangry or grumpy
or on a deadline or– last time I was in
New York doing press, I had to go back to the hotel,
exhausted, and edit the book. And I’m reading about
this asshole talking about, like, everything’s OK. And I was like, fuck you. Like, I didn’t agree. So that is– even in
the course of a day, there’s the remembering
and the forgetting. But that is like the sine
wave of existence to me. It’s not a flaw– the give and the take, the
remembering, and the forgetting is sort of what gives
all of this its charge. That being said, to
really, I hope, answer your question, the reason
I mentioned three years is because it’s been
longer than that. And it’s been these– talk about microdosing– it’s
been these micro-adjustments. And for me, I’m a heady person. I like language. I like reading. To me, it was like reading as
much of this stuff as I can, reading Ram Dass,
reading Richard Rohr, reading Joseph Campbell,
reading Rob Bell, and then rereading it. It was like a slow– Ram Dass– I don’t know if
you guys know– he wrote “Be Here Now.” He has this thing where
he likens it, like– he’s a spiritual
guy, and he’s like– it’s like he’s outside bouncing
a ball, and we’re inside. And he’s going, come out. It’s OK. Come out and play where
it’s spacious and free, and let’s play. And we’re all inside
going, I can’t. Mother says I have
to eat dinner. So there’s all these things. But he’s not going anywhere. There’s no rush. Nothing’s going anywhere. It’s OK to go at your pace. And one of the things that I’m
really happy to share with you guys is it’s not intense
discipline or doing a bevy of things
that I hated doing. It was doing a lot of
things I loved doing. Finding great talks that I
enjoyed every minute of where you’re listening to something
and you stop writing things down because you realize
you’re writing everything down– I loved it. You listen to an
old Ram Dass talk– they’re on YouTube or you
can buy them on iTunes. Or listening to an
old Richard Rohr talk if you’re leaning
more Christian and you want to have language that
you can use with your parents. It won’t work, but you can. I enjoyed it. I think spirituality gets a bad
rap that we have to sit and– when I meditate, I mean,
my legs are stretched. I’m comfortable. I’m not like– we don’t have
to be renunciates and beat ourselves like
Equus to get there. You can do things
and find things. Alan Watts, my god,
Alan Watts on YouTube. Type it in, and just enjoy it. Enjoy a raspy voiced, smoking
alcoholic Zen Buddhist from the ’60s telling you
what you already know, but you forgot. And just be like, ah! And thank the internet for
the miracle that it is. But allow yourself–
it’s like a mosaic. Every day, you’re just
putting a little tile in. And a lot of days, you’re, like,
these don’t even make sense. But after five– maybe
it’ll be faster for you– you step back, and you
go, like, oh, there’s a world view for the mystery
that actually feels correct, intuitively, in my gut. AUDIENCE: Thanks. PETE HOLMES: Yeah, my pleasure. AUDIENCE: Hey– PETE HOLMES: Are you Sonic? AUDIENCE: Yeah, I was going
to say, from one fellow Sonic fan to another,
thanks for the talk. PETE HOLMES: Yeah, man. AUDIENCE: I found your– I thought your comment about,
if you’d been born in India, you’d be Hindu to
be very insightful and resonated with
me because that’s kind of how I–
that insight is kind of how I started to question
my religious upbringing. But I wanted to talk
about drugs some more. What do you think about– [LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE] PETE HOLMES: Sonic,
Sonic, Sonic– big coke guy, Sonic. [LAUGHTER] AUDIENCE: Got to go fast, right? PETE HOLMES: Tails
was a weed guy. [LAUGHTER] AUDIENCE: What do
you think about the recent decriminalization of
psilocybin mushrooms in Denver? PETE HOLMES: I think
it’s wonderful. It makes me– I guess
I’m a bit of a square. So I’m, like, oh, please,
don’t give us some headline, you know what I mean, where
somebody is going to go nuts. Because I see what we do
with medicinal marijuana. I have smoked a bunch in
LA, and it’s so strong. And I’m, like, please,
Denver, if you see this. You have this great power
and this Spiderman great responsibility. Please give us a
good name so we can get this stuff helping people. The first time I
took mushrooms, I didn’t drink for like six
months without trying. I didn’t say, I’m
going to stop drinking. Just, the desire had
left me because I had been in that place
that I wanted to be. And I realized it wasn’t
what alcohol was giving me. So it has this great potential
to help with alcoholics. It has great potential to
help with PTSD, depression, and all this stuff. So obviously, it’s wonderful. I guess the nervous Nellie in
me is, like, please, some kid, don’t take like– because you hear those
stories of someone that doesn’t have the
right set and setting taking LSD, thinking
that everybody is an orc and, you know,
assaulting somebody. And I’m, like,
let’s not do that. That’s what happened in the
’60s, you know what I mean? We had this unregulated
Haight-Ashbury experience. One person jumps off a
building, and suddenly, there’s all this cultural paranoia. I’m, like, can we please do this
responsibly and do it in a way that we can start to recognize
these things as plant medicines, as sacred medicines? I make a joke in the
book where I’m like, it’s like we’re
in Mario Brothers, and the programmer
left mushrooms for us as well and Mario. Mario and us both have the same
magic mushrooms to help us. But don’t– I really hope
people don’t abuse it. But I’m excited. I mean, ketamine for
depression, it’s crazy. And drug addiction–
are you excited? AUDIENCE: Can you tell? PETE HOLMES: I’m going to have– I found my microdose guy. [LAUGHTER] But did that answer
your question? AUDIENCE: Yeah. PETE HOLMES: Thanks, man. MEGAN GREEN: I
think you were next. AUDIENCE: All right. Thank you for being here. PETE HOLMES: Yeah. AUDIENCE: This is more
about “Crashing” and comedy. PETE HOLMES: Sure. AUDIENCE: How did
you choose which bits were the
up-and-coming Pete that were obviously successful
on TV and in your stand-ups to be the growth
comedian on “Crashing?” PETE HOLMES: That’s
a great question. I was doing a show where
I was playing myself just starting in stand-up. And I’ve been doing stand-up
for about 20 years now. So the question, if
you don’t understand is, like, how did you do bad
stand-up on purpose, basically. And the great thing– this is one of those–
it’s like every part of the buffalo sort of things. Like, I had all these old
notebooks of bad jokes. And I would basically just
earnestly do my old material. And you’re doing these jokes,
and they’re about “RoboCop” or whatever, and they’re fine. But even if it did get a
laugh– because sometimes they’d be like, oh, it’s his
show, we should laugh. The background actors
would laugh because we didn’t tell them what to do. And then what Judd would do
was, he’d just do it again with no cut, no nothing. I would just do the
same joke again. And I don’t care how good
of a background actor and how nice you are. You’re not going to laugh,
at least, very well, the second time. So I was very
grateful that, when I had to slowly
start getting better, I would just start slowly
doing the material that I did in real time. That joke that I did in the
finale about my girlfriend making me miss the
train was the joke that got me my first
half-hour special. So I did it, and it
sort of fit the story because it was the first joke
that I did that’s personal. But that’s what
happened in real life. The first time I did a joke
that I actually cared about is when I got my
first big TV break. And so we recreated
that for the show. But then the rest of the time, I
was just trying out these bits, and they still don’t work. AUDIENCE: All right. Keep it crispy. PETE HOLMES: You keep
it crispy, thank you. AUDIENCE: Pete,
thank you for coming. PETE HOLMES: Yeah,
thanks for having me. AUDIENCE: I really– I’ve listened to your
podcast for a while. And in a recent one,
you were talking about, like, you saw the side of
a bus with someone on it. And you were like,
there’s no reason that can’t be me one day. PETE HOLMES: Yeah. AUDIENCE: Right? And so not like an
overconfidence, but just faith in yourself and
being confident about what your abilities are. PETE HOLMES: Yeah. AUDIENCE: And I’m curious– and this is kind of like a– I know that you
must have struggled for a really long time
in your career, as well. And kind of curious– kind of a necessary evil and
kind of a cringe-worthy topic, but how your relationship with
just money has changed over time. And have you– do you feel
like that holds people back from pursuing or being willing
to struggle as long as, maybe, other people might? PETE HOLMES: Yeah. It’s something– people
don’t talk about it. I mean, Janeane Garofalo has
a great joke where she’s, like, people tell
stories about going to LA with $15 in their pocket. What they don’t include– this is her joke– is that they had a credit card
that went to their parents. You know what I mean? And that’s true for a lot of us. And I can’t really misrepresent
that I didn’t have that support system that a lot of us have,
but more of us don’t have. And it’s pretty common. You see people that–
to use a casino term– aren’t playing
with scared money. They know that if they
hit their rock bottom, they can at least move
in with their parents. You know what I’m saying? That’s not true for everybody. Or maybe they’ll fall
back on some other skill set that they have. So when I was starting out–
and the story you’re telling is that I remembered having
a moment where I was, like, I could never see
myself on a bus. And then I heard the
voice in my head go, well, you never will be. And then that’s
when I realized– you don’t tell anybody. But if you have
big dreams, there’s no downside to green lighting
them for yourself, to go, like, I’m not going to
act like an asshole. But I’m going to quietly– like a little flame inside. You’re going to keep that
fire going just for you. I believe it. I think I deserve it. Then I remember when–
the first time I was walking around
New York, and I saw a “Crashing”
billboards on a bus, it was really fucking surreal. It wasn’t, like, a pride moment. It was like, holy shit. How is this happening? But I don’t really know how to
talk about money without making myself uncomfortable. I mean, it’s interesting. When I watch comedians,
there’s often this assumption– I’m talking about
big, famous ones– that they’re just
like everybody. I won’t name specifics. But there are comedians that
I know that talk about– they have airline jokes. And I’m, like, you fly private. Like, everyone knows
you fly private. You were on the “Forbes”
top-10 paid comedians. We know your salary. You’re not flying Southwest,
you know what I mean? And that’s an interesting
thing, as an artist, is, how do you stay
even relatable? I think there are ways to do it. But because so many of us
are playing the game of, can I go to this, or can I not? What is the job of the
artist who is doing OK? Am I answering your question,
or was it more about, like, when you’re
struggling, how much did that have a factor? AUDIENCE: I feel like, what
was your fallback plan when you were living on couches if– PETE HOLMES: Yeah. It would’ve been, like, move in
with my parents or something, I suppose, or maybe
ask them for money. That’s probably what
I would have done. It’s embarrassing to admit. But we’re not going to get
anywhere lying to each other. I would have asked for
money for rent or whatever. But I– you know, I waited
tables for years at Bennigan’s. You can picture it. And that was a motivator. But there wasn’t
really a backup plan. But this is advice
that I’ve given before. It’s, like, you have to
follow the dream that’s also following you, right? So I wasn’t just going, I
want to be rich and famous. In fact, every comedian I know
that started out to be rich and famous– and there
were a lot of them– they either suck or they quit. They’re gone. The comedians that did it
because they were getting feedback from their psychology,
from their surroundings, from their childhoods that they
were supposed to do comedy, you know what I mean? So that’s what we were doing. We weren’t doing it to
get rich and famous. We were doing it
because we had to do it. So when you’re out
there, you need to look– listen for the
feedback for your dream, you know what I mean? Because there are
going to be moments where you’re worried about
whether or not you can eat. AUDIENCE: Thank you. PETE HOLMES: Yeah, my pleasure. AUDIENCE: Hey. PETE HOLMES: Hi. AUDIENCE: I’m going to
try to keep this short. So you talked about the analogy
where you’re trying to just– you’re in a play or
like you’re in a game. How do you try to
practice yourself to not get so deep into it? Because if you’re playing
like an actual game, sometimes you’re
so into it that you think you are the
character almost, right? PETE HOLMES: Right. AUDIENCE: Is there
something that you practice? Or how do you keep your
mentality in a way that– this isn’t really who
I am kind of thing? PETE HOLMES: Yeah. I talk about it. There’s a chapter
in the book called– I think it’s called
“Good Episode.” And it’s this
practice of looking at your life de-personally. Obviously, you want to– as they used to say
in the ’60s, you don’t want to forget
your zip code. We’re here. I’ve heard horrible
things that they use mindfulness and some of
these ideas in the military and stuff to detach people
from their emotions to have them do terrible things. So there are ways to
misappropriate these ideas. That’s why it’s so
important to have– hey, it’s just a game in
one hand, and also go– and the point is compassion
and relieving suffering. I mean, these things need to
go together because they’re sort of dangerous. They can be weaponized
without the other. But to me– there’s a part
in the book where I say, sing “Happy Birthday” in your head. We can do it now. It’s live. And we don’t have to do “Happy
Birthday,” because I’m not doing this on TV. Sing the Rolling Stones’
“Satisfaction” in your head. Ready? Let’s all do it. It’ll be a happening. When does that happen? Everyone in this room
is going to– we’re going to do it, one,
two, three, four. I’m still in the guitar part. Some of you jumped
right to the lyrics. And you just ask,
who’s hearing that? It’s very simple. Who’s hearing that? How were you hearing that? It’s helpful if you’re stoned. But seriously, next time you’re
stoned, think about that. You’ll feel it more. It’ll feel more vital. But I do that on stage. And I go, why do we
have to be stoned for that to be interesting? How are you hearing that? So what is that? And then when you–
so the practice is to look at your own life
like you’re watching TV. That sounds almost
psychopathic or sociopathic, but it’s to be
passionately involved. I know a lot of you are
watching “Game of Thrones.” People are dying. You’re like, ah! But also detached–
you’re not in danger. There’s no dragons,
you know what I mean? So you practice that. And like the first
question, it’s slowly– you start to feel
this extrication from being lost in your
small, isolated self. And as Richard Rohr says,
once you wake up to this idea, you’ll never be lonely again. You’ll see the vital life
force in every single thing in equal parts. And that’s originally why
priests were celibate. It wasn’t because sex was bad. It was because
they were supposed to be kind of having
sex with everything. They were supposed to be so
spiritual that everything was almost erotic
in their communion with every breath of
air and every meal. Everything was supposed to
be charged with– obviously, we lost the narrative
on that one. I don’t want to– I don’t even want to go there. It’s fucked up. I completely agree. But yeah, the answer
is the same for both. It’s slowly, but surely– but if you notice more and
more that you’re not noticing, that’s how you start noticing. MEGAN GREEN: Thank you
so much for being here. PETE HOLMES: My pleasure. MEGAN GREEN: Everyone, thank
Pete Holmes for being here. PETE HOLMES: Thanks, everybody. I appreciate it. MEGAN GREEN: And go out
and buy “Comedy Sex God.”

23 thoughts on “Pete Holmes: “Comedy Sex God” | Talks at Google

  1. I really love that whenever Pete makes an appearance somewhere, he always tries to include the audience. He's not just talking to the moderator. Its so awesome and adorable

  2. As I said in the 70's. Dynamite!! Wonderful speaker. I may have met you I met everyone in show biz. I'm the writer but Dad VinnyCatalano stole the glory. Harvey Weinstein plus a scitol friend of Dad's. George. Sent the stars to meet "Dad" 1998 Tampa FL at the restaurant top of Burdines Dept store. Hope to meet you in person again.

  3. The book was intelligent and deeply philosophical. He is bright. I appreciate his point of view as I was raised Catholic and went to 13 years of Catholic school. Really sorry to see Crashing is cancelled.

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