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What the Bible says about homosexuality | Kristin Saylor & Jim O’Hanlon | TEDxEdgemontSchool

Translator: Leonardo Silva
Reviewer: Ellen Maloney Jim O’Hanlon: I’ve finally
made it to Heaven. This is so beautiful,
and I’ve worked every day of my life making sure I’d make it here to heaven,
and I’m now finally here. I really want to meet the big guy. Do you know who the big guy is? Kristin Saylor: Ah, they told you
I was a guy? That’s cute. JOH: Are you the receptionist? KS: Yeah, no. Hi, I’m God.
JOH: You’re God? KS: Yeah, welcome to Heaven.
JOH: Hi. KS: So, just a couple of questions
to make sure you really belong here. JOH: I’m the perfect Christian.
All my life I’ve been a perfect Christian. KS: Well, let’s see about that. So, first off, I just
need you to assure me that you have categorically rejected
any scientific teaching that contradicts even
one word of the Bible. JOH: Absolutely, absolutely. KS: Great. And then, do you, based
on the authority of scripture, accept the existence of talking snakes? JOH: I do, they’re in Genesis 2. KS: And what about talking donkeys? JOH: Numbers 22. KS: Unicorns? JOH: Numbers 23. KS: And what about hoards of suicidal,
demon-possessed, cliff-jumping pigs? JOH: The Gospel of Mark,
the fifth chapter. KS: Very good, I’m impressed. I have just one final question then,
before I let you in. JOH: Alright. KS: Did you do as I told you and sell all your possessions
and give the money to the poor? JOH: Well, I … Wait, what now? KS: Ah … yeah.
I said it twice, actually. JOH: Were you serious about that? KS: Very serious. JOH: Oh … JOH: You may think that there are people
who take the Bible too seriously, people who throw out anything
that contradicts the Bible – science, history … What this skit is asking you
to think about is maybe they’re not
taking the Bible seriously enough. Maybe they’re very serious
about the Bible, if they can use it to judge other people, if they can use it to shame somebody
or to punish somebody. But if the Bible was used
to turn back on themselves and they were to evaluate themselves
and examine their own conscience, if the Bible was to be humbling them, then they might not
take the Bible so seriously. These people say that they want
the Bible to be taken literally, in its entirety it should
always be literal, and that’s ridiculous, you can’t do that. When the Bble says, “God is our rock,
our sword, our shield,” when the Bible says,
“The Lord is my shepherd,” we can’t take those literally. But there are people
who are rigidly saying that the Bible needs
to always be taken literally. They think it gives it some kind
of force that they can use, that they can win arguments,
that they can settle the debate, by saying, “This is literal. It is cut and dried,
it is straight-forward.” They’re these people who believe
that they can overpower other people, with their argument,
by saying, “The Bible says it,” people in positions of great authority. Just last month, a US congressman
from District 1 in Texas stood on the floor
of the House of Representatives and said, “The government wants us
to forget about the Bible.” He says, “In the Bible, it says God
created the male and female, period. No questions marks.” So he’s got this idea that he doesn’t want
people talking about sexual orientation. He doesn’t want people
talking about gender identity as something distinct
from biological gender. He’s got this idea
that we need to just follow that without any ambiguity, without questions, just keeping the status quo. He believes that he can use that by saying the Bible
must be taken literally, and it settles his argument. These people have
bumper stickers that say, “God said it, I believe it,
that settles it,” which they could probably
shorten down to say, “I believe it, that settles it.” Because that’s what they’re saying, they want these things
to be cut and dried, and clear. It’s interesting that people believe they can take the Bible
to drive through their point of view, because the Bible doesn’t have
one point of view. The Bible does not speak with one voice. The Bible does not have
one definition of God. It doesn’t have one way of describing God. The Bible does not have one theology. We think if the Bible
could be consistent of one thing, it would be consistent
about describing God, about the language we use
and how we understand God. The Bible does not have
one definition of marriage. It doesn’t have one model of marriage. There’s no consistent ethic about
sexuality going throughout the Bible. The Bible speaks with these many voices. The Bible, really properly
speaking, is not a book. It’s an anthology. It’s really a library with a wide
variety of spiritual wisdom, things that have different ideas
and speak with different voices. The Bible has all these voices
and all these ideas throughout it. It’s not just one book with one point
that it’s trying to drive home. The Bible has these many voices. And there are many stories in the Bible, and many of these stories are told
from different points of view, from different perspectives
and different voices. KS: So given the amount of media
attention the Bible has received recently with respect to issues of gay marriage,
gender-neutral bathrooms, it would be easy for us
to come to the conclusion that the Bible has a lot to say
about homosexuality, and it ain’t good. But in reality, if you take
the Bible as a whole and look at, percentage-wise, how much of the content is devoted
to the issue of homosexuality, it is less than one percent. Statistically speaking,
it just is not a priority for the Bible. And the few stories that do speak
to the topic of same-sexuality are often taken out of proportion
and out of context. One of the most famous examples of these
texts is the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, which some of you might be familiar with. It’s a story that has become famous because of anti-sodomy laws
that exist in some places still today and this concept of sodomy
that is derived from this Bible story. And “sodomy” is a word
that we throw around a lot, without necessarily
understanding what it means. We might have an idea
that it refers to gay sex, that it’s somehow bad, when in reality, it has
a very specific definition, and it is any sexual act
that is not procreative. So that opens the door wide to a whole host of things
that are not limited to same-sex couples. And that’s interesting to remember in a context where our society loves
to take the Bible out of context and use it for its own purposes. So what does the story
of Sodom and Gomorrah actually say? Once upon a time,
there was a city called Sodom, and there were two men traveling, trying to find a place to stay
in the city limits. They were having zero luck. They were about to give up
and spend the night in the town’s square. But a man named Lot took pity on them and let them crash
at his house for the night. Good thing he did, because not five minutes later,
the town mob came banging on his door, demanding that he bring his guests out,
that they might “know” them. Now, when the Bible says
“know” in this context, it’s not saying, “Hey, nice to meet you!
Let me shake your hand!” No. It’s, “Let us know them intimately,
sexually,” and in this case, violently. We’re talking in this case
about gang rape. And the story continues. Lot begs the mob, “Please, I beg you,
do not act so wickedly.” He then turns and offers his two
virgin daughters to the mob in exchange, which is all kinds of twisted. And then, the story ends when God
gets angry at the whole situation and destroys the whole
city for their sins. But what exactly was the sin of Sodom? Was it men sleeping with men, or was it an angry mob
banging on a man’s door and demanding to rape his house guests? And you can see how quickly
we leap to conclusions and how quickly that begins
to affect our judgment. JOH: So what does the story say?
And what does the story not say? The story describes an entire city
that converges upon one house for the purpose of raping
these two people. Does that mean that this is
a story about two adults who want to have
a consenting relationship, who want to publicly affirm
a monogamous relationship and their commitment to each other? How does it really connect it all to that
when its talking about an entire city that wants to have
a mass rape of two people? So you see this man, Lot, who sees this,
and he stands against them, one person who stands
against the entire city. He sees these two people,
he sees they’re vulnerable, they’re traveling, they’re far from home, they’re people who could be preyed upon, they’re foreigners, they don’t belong. So they’re weak and susceptible
in so many ways, and he wants to protect them. And when the city says, “Let them come out
here because we want to know them,” he begs them not to do this wicked thing. And when he stands against the whole city, they then turn onto him and say,
“You know what, Lot? You haven’t been here all that long.
You’re not really one of us. You don’t have the same beliefs like us.” So this is Lot, a man who himself
is vulnerable in this situation, who’s going to put himself out for someone
who is even more vulnerable than he is. And as we heard, he says,
“Take my daughters instead,” which raises the issue of: why would someone insist
that you have to literally read this and you have to unquestionably
apply the morality in a way that you must be obedient to it? So when the Bible talks about
what was the sin of Sodom, you can look throughout the Bible: over hundreds of centuries,
it keeps referring back to Sodom and how bad Sodom was
and how wicked Sodom was, but what is it specifically
that the Bible is talking about? Is it talking about same-sex partners, or ir it talking about violence
and violating people sexually? There’s a part in the Bible,
just a little bit further, in the book of Ezekiel, where it talks about
what Sodom did that was so wrong. And it says in Ezekiel, “Now, this was
the sin of your sister Sodom.” And it’s saying “sister”
just in a metaphorical way. These cities are all in a location.
They’re sister cities. They refer to the population as daughters. But they’re talking about the city
and its population. “Now, this was the sin
of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were overfed,
arrogant and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did
detestable things before me.” So it seems this thing
has become something that’s used to target a minority group, to say that this minority should be
shunned and they should be punished, when it’s talking about how the people
who are weakest among us, the people who need us the most,
the most vulnerable people among us, are people that we need
to be thinking about. So when people look at the Bible, they need to think about
all these different literary types: love songs, poems,
different kinds of literature, people dealing with big life questions. There’s all different kinds
of literature and genres. And when we read something in the Bible,
we need to put it in its literary context, we need to put it
in its historical context, understand who these people are
and what the time period was. KS: So when we read the Bible
in our own context, especially in light
of the recent attention that issues of the LGBTQ
community have received, it’s important to do two things. And the first is exactly
what we have been doing: to take the texts that do talk
about homosexuality, few though they may be, and really dig into them
and read them for ourselves and ask, “What do they really say
and what do they really not say? And then, what does that mean?” And the other thing we can do
is read the Bible in context, as a whole, in all of its multiple
and diverse voices, and ask, “What counter-voices could we lift up
that might actually be queer-positive?” Now, that’s different from saying that the Bible somehow
has a hidden gay agenda, because it doesn’t. It really doesn’t have any agenda. But there are different voices that stand in contrast to the ones
that the media would have us lift up. One of the most powerful examples,
I think, is from the book of Acts, which is basically the story
of the earliest years of Christianity, in which people like Peter and Paul
are going out into all the world, sharing what they’ve learned
and been taught by Jesus and encountering on the way a whole lot
of diverse and unexpected scenarios. And one of those is when the apostle
Philip is on a road, traveling somewhere, and he meets and Ethiopian eunuch. Now, what is that? Well, Ethiopian, in this case, is just shorthand for anyone
from Africa, south of the Sahara, with dark skin. So there you go:
an outsider on one count, because of the way he looks. And a eunuch is a man
who worked on a royal court and had undergone ritual castration, so that he could serve the monarchy without posing the threat of producing
male heirs who could usurp the throne. Now, eunuchs, in Judaism
of that day and age, were not full members of society. They were subject to all kinds
of ritual prohibitions, they were excluded … So again, you have a double outsider
in this Ethiopian eunuch. And what happens? Well, he and Philip get to talking,
one thing leads to another … Next thing you know, the eunuch is saying, “Hey, look! Here’s a pool of water
on the side of the road. What is to prevent me from being baptized, from becoming a full member
of this community, right here, right now?” And Philip says, “Sure. Let’s do it.” He doesn’t interrogate him
about his sexual practices. He doesn’t say, “Oh nah,
you’re not qualified.” No! He just welcomes him on the spot. And that story is a powerful counter-voice that values inclusion and acceptance
of someone who, in today’s context, might have some parallels
with the transgender community. Another example that I’d like
to leave you with – there are many – is from the letter to the Galatians, which is a very early piece
of Christian correspondence in which Paul is describing
what the afterlife is like. And he says, “In Christ,
there is neither Jew nor Greek, there’s neither slave nor free, and there’s neither male nor female.” So he’s radically just erasing
all the boundaries and distinctions that we put up among ourselves and saying, “In the end,
none of that matters.” So my question to you is:
what does it mean to say that, in Christ,
there’s neither male nor female, in a world where people
are insisting that the Bible says, “No, actually there is male and female,” and that affects what kind
of bathrooms we have and that affects what kind
of marriage we have? And in reality, what the Bible says
is much more complex than that. JOH: And why do we even care
what the Bible says, these stories from
thousands of years ago? If you look at our society, we’ve made
so much progress just in this generation, in terms of our understanding
of homosexuality. The medical community,
just a generation ago, was describing
homosexuality as a disorder. They’ve rewritten those manuals to no longer describe
homosexuality as a disorder. Now, it’s one of a different
range of sexualities. Legally and politically,
we’ve come so far. Just in the past couple of decades,
just in this time now, just in the lifetime
of these high school students, the Supreme Court has overturned
laws that were against sodomy, the Supreme Court’s said
there’s marriage equality. Why would we go back thousands of years, tens of thousands of years, when we’ve made so much progress
just in the recent time in our understanding of human sexuality? The reason is because
people still continue to base their values and their morality
on these old scriptures. People still look
to their religious traditions and to the understandings they get
from these religious traditions, they continue to undergird, they continue to be the foundation
of our science, of our laws. So we need to understand what are the beliefs and values
that people are coming with. And we see there are still people whose beliefs and values
lead them to discriminate. This congressman who stood on the floor
of the House of Representatives last month doesn’t want people talking
about equality for same-sex couples. He doesn’t want people
talking about gender identity as something that can be defined
different from biological gender. And he wants to use the Bible
because he believes he can use that to push across his point and tell people
that they can’t argue with that. We need to be looking at the Bible and understanding
the values and the morality that people should be getting from it, because people continue to discriminate
and people even continue to use violence. We see gay and lesbian and transgender
and homosexual people, young people, high school people,
continuing to be discriminated against, harassed, ridiculed, tormented. We continue to see stories
like Tyler Clementi, 18 years old. Just back in 2003, his roommate thought it would be fun to videotape him
having an intimate moment. He ended up taking his own life. And there are many stories like this,
so that’s why this is important. In Greenwich Village, just in 2013,
a man went around, harassing people, giving people a hard time because
he thought they were gay or lesbian, confronting them and tormenting them. Finally, he goes up to one man and starts to interact
and to have an altercation with him, until he finally takes out
a gun and shoots him. Mark Carson, 32 years old,
killed because he was gay, walking in Greenwich Village, just a few blocks away
from the Stonewall Inn, where the modern
Gay Rights Movement began. That’s why these scriptures matter, and that’s why it matters
that we look at them and that’s why it matters
that we take them seriously. We take these stories seriously, and we take the lessons
that we draw from them seriously. We see the story of Lot, a man who stands against an entire city that believes that they can discriminate
against people because they’re outsiders. He stands against them
for their discrimination, he stands against them
because of their violence, because they want to violate
these people sexually, and we see this as a very serious story
for us, that we can learn from today. And that’s why we stand here today, saying that we believe
that being gay is not a sin. Period. Thank you. (Applause)

100 thoughts on “What the Bible says about homosexuality | Kristin Saylor & Jim O’Hanlon | TEDxEdgemontSchool

  1. They lost me at "why should we even care what the Bible says, it was thousands of years ago"… Same sins…different names…different day… nothing new. These guys don't take the scriptures seriously. Otherwise, they'd take 1 corinthians 6:9-10 seriously. God doesn't care if they think it's not fair and they took Galatians 3:28 totally out of context.

  2. This is so disturbing and heartbreaking. I pray for these people who are being false prophets misguiding their followers. The Bible is not designed for us to make it fit what our sins are.
    One man one woman.

  3. Ted Ex. This is the same network trying to make pedaphilia normal and that it should be excepted by society. Let that sink in.

  4. Did they not read the bible? The bible says not to lay with a man as you would with a women, it's in the bible multiple times.

  5. Thieves nor drunkards nor men who lie with men will inherit god's kingdom how plain do you want it homosexuallalty is a sin

  6. What a lot of twisted words Sodom and Gomorrah was about the life style of the whole city which was summed up by the incident in the narrative. It was just just about the incident with the visitors.

  7. Wouldn't It be better to quit defending the bible as the book of Truth? They make It say anything anyway, thus It Is useless

  8. I thought Ted restricted religious talks? But you can when you disagree with standards within a religion? So can I come on and do a session on Islam and killing the infidel and beating your wife when she plays up or 3 minute marriages when you're overcome with lust…Ted wouldn't dare init but its Ok to do this with Christianity

  9. Would you act in a way that even closely displeases God. The God gave us an adviser. Thes people dont have the holy spirit.

  10. You started off this whole ted talk with a work based faith. You can’t work your way into heaven. Everything here was taken so far out of context I don’t even know where to start. I am never ever rude, but this was so wrong on so many levels. I feel like two 5 year -olds skimmed over the Bible and then tried to act it out.

  11. "And the people of Berea were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, and they listened eagerly to Paul’s message. They searched the Scriptures day after day to see if Paul and Silas were teaching the truth." Acts 17:11(NLT)

    Even if Paul and Silas where the disciples of Jesus, the Bereans did not just listen but they searched the scripture. Likewise we must see if what they are saying is true or not through the Bible, even if they have doctoral degrees or even titles in church. With the advent of the internet one can research about the topic in the Bible way easily than Bible scholars of old, unless Google censors it then we have to do it manually.

    Another things is if you have accepted Christ as your Lord not only your saviour, all secular things shall fade away.

  12. Abraham Tan: Hate to burst your bubble Abe old buddy, but angels aren't real. They fall into the realm of fairytale nonsense. The two angels who visited Lot, didn't have wings.

  13. Came here for the triggered cultists, wasn't disappointed. 😂

    It's like they actually think they understand…grown adults with an imaginary friend thinking they understand how the world works 😂😂😂

  14. I always loved my study bible's note on when Lot offered up his daughters. It said something like "Lot's solution is less than exemplary."

  15. This is ridiculous and you can see this as the woman playing God. I know the Bible talks about false prophets and this is what the Bible talks about. I'm not judging these individuals but they are very uneducated on the Bible. This type of thing applied to the Bible is a sin in itself. I sin everyday but try to do my best but make no mistake the Bible is clear on the sin of homosexuality. That is just a fact.

  16. You two are whole heartedly COMPLETELY clueless I could debate MOST of the first 5 minutes of your lecture. How can you actually say those things, you are NOT worth listening to because you completely contradict yourselves. Good luck and God bless

  17. it's an abomination because you cannot bear fruit. It's that simple. Homosexuality is not spoken of in the 10 commandments , your actions are your choice, but on judgement day, you will have to face all of your actions with Him. People should actually see what is written in scripture rather than listen to people with fancy collars who speak softly. Scripture condemns these soft talkers more than it condemns acts of homosexuality

  18. These 2 are some of Lucifer's arms who manipulates a right yet vulnerable human mind!! A No is No and a wrong is not right. SIMPLE.

  19. From the start they claim God is a female. They obviously haven’t read the Bible or Quran. Both books are highly related and points to the same father in Heaven.

    I hate Ted Talks. They are absolutely useless and meant to deceive.

  20. Gotta love the Bible
    God murders as many people as he wants whilst sending Jesus go teach us to love our enemies. He then tells us that we will burn for eternity if we don't accept Jesus who is God who sacrificed himself to himself in order to forgive us. Most logical story ever!!

  21. These people have very little understanding of the Word of God. Their fishing for excuses is evident.
    Not a good source for biblical information..

  22. The nature of deception you dont know your deceived. Homosexuality is a sin. Adam and eve not adam and Steve i love everyone but God lays out pretty clearly. You must be born again. the natural mind trying to convince yourself that sin is ok…mercy triumphs over judgement those who practice homosexuality are not entering the kingdom of heaven in revelations she says the bible has no motivation?? Wake up

  23. This video is so blasphemous its ridiculous. You people who think everything in the scriptures is poetic when judgment day comes wait for him to ask you as these questions. You will be surprised he will not he will look through the heart and judge you by his word and your sin or righteousness. That skit was basically useless.

  24. When one's ego identifies solely with a belief system and only their chosen version of that system, pride is the barrier to inner growth and willful ignorance is the safety net.

  25. "The parts that talk about homosexuality are less than 1%, and those parts are out of proportion and taken out of context" it seems like the part "ALL scripture is inspired by God" has been taken out of your context

  26. False preachers and converts in last days and the fire will burn away the shaff from the WEAT. Very Obvious they serve their flesh and carnal things

  27. For the people who are using Leviticus verse 18 : 22

    That is levitical law, it only applies to the nation of Israel. Christians are not a member of the nation of Israel and we are not subjects to the levitical law under the new covenant in Christ. Therefore we are not subject to the levitical law.

  28. Anyone watching this argument against the written word of God should probably know that numbers 23 has no mention of unicorns. It's about a man named Balaam trying to have a curse placed of the people of Jacob and Israel. He builds alters in various places trying to get God to lift his Blessing off of these people who are his enemies, and bring about a curse. It's kinda ironic that this very verse they mention to try and disprove the literal interpretation of the Bible actually completely contradicts that part of their argument with the Bible. The only way to truly know what the Bible says is to study it for yourself. In doing so God always reveals himself to anyone who is truly seeking answers.

  29. Leviticus 18:22

    "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

    Romans 1:26-28,

    “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.”

    Not natural,…..period.

  30. The Bible says "that righteous Lot" after he called the men of the city "brethren". Now just why would Lot call the Sodomites brothers, meaning to be in agreement with them?

  31. thousands of years ago the epitome of the faith walked, talked and lived among us, everything he said will rightly be scrutinized and studied to the fullest because he is the motivation of a christan life. He is the source, and as responsible researchers and good christens we go back to the source. unfortunately, he did not break it all down, so we have to use the gifts god gave us to interpret and distribute the bible and the faith. that is the point of the old texts. I appreciate your interpretation and insight on this subject, continue to work to find truth.

  32. Look at them giving all this context thats not there to further their own interpretation while sullying others interpretations of a book no one knows who wrote, with nothing to confirm its true.

  33. What the Bible and Jesus said was to lead with Love and Follow up with the Law!
    Love & compassion first then Law and salvation second.
    Lead with Love follow up with the Law!
    Same with abortion! Gods timing will let people be aware of his Laws not humans! We have no right as all Sins are punishable by death! Lies and adultery and fornication and homosexuality are all equal sins! All sins wages are death! Eternal death!
    And God stored up his wrath individually based off of our own individual lives! So it’s not our place to preach the Law without Love first bcuz we are all in condemnation and Sin! We lead with love and God will make the time for his Laws to prevail! Modern day Christians have it all backwoods trying to condemn people with Gods Laws about homosexuality and murder of children! When we should let God decode when he will reveal his Law to these people! It’s not our place! Our place is to live as Jesus did and lead with Love like he did! Jesus never condemned anyone! He loved everyone first then he revealed the Laws of the father!
    People are destroying the christian belief with they’re own version of what the word of God actually says! It is NOT our place to condemn anyone as we are all condemned and all in sin and all being punished with Death as the wages we have earned from our sin!
    Sins are all equal! And none of us have a eighth to judge or condemn anyone! How much more prosperous would the word of God be if we lead with Love and let God reveal the time for his Laws to be revealed to these people when they see through our love and our lives that that would be desirable to them when God says it is!
    Can I get an Amen??
    Think about that!

  34. Wow. "leaders of a church" saying you cannot take the word of God literally. True brothers and sisters in Christ we are the generation that shall not pass! Praise the Lord Jesus Christ! We know the truth because unlike these false teachers we humbled ourselves before God and he revealed his truth to us. Stand firm brothers and sisters! Christ is coming soon! The third temple is ready to be built, the temple of the antichrist! We are all on God's timeline, and God placed us here for such a time as this. Brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ, who know him and love him and know the Father I tell you this, Great will be our reward in Heaven because we stand firm in our faith when the whole world falls away. We know through our studies what is going to happen. I can't wait! Jesus Christ is coming soon! Praise the Lord!

  35. How can so-called people of Christ justify homosexuality taking things out of context why would anyone exchanged the truth for a lie there's a way that seems right to a man but the end is destruction

  36. be very careful my friend for all scripture IS from one source and that is God. you make it sound like it is just stories of man with many different opinion, you also error on the logic that truth is related to the amount of words given to a subject. Jesus said there is one unforgivable sin. it is mentioned only once but can have eternal implications. In the example you gave about selling your possessions you know as well as I do it was about idolatry and not having things. If anything is more important than God than it is idolatry. In the example a man approached Jesus indicating he had kept all the commandments and Jesus told him to sell his possessions and give the money to the poor, for He knew that was were the man's heart was. I would be very careful with leading God's children astray because Jesus had something to say about that as well. The bible is truth, it is the inspired word of God and while some of it contains metaphors or lessons, most is straight forward in it's directives. I pray for you.

  37. This video and the comments is proof of the abuse of the Bible by both liberals and conservatives. But the tone of these obviously liberal protestants is very frustration. Yes, they are right that there are parts that we should not take literally…but and this is where I get very angry…there are places that are to be taken deeply literal. The argument that since so little is said about homosexuality we can (functionally) ignore those parts is idiocy. Both liberals and conservatives pick and choose. The rub is which one is right? I find the conservatives, while flawed have a more consistent view of following the Triune God, whereas the liberals follow, or idolize, only one person of the Trinity, Jesus.

  38. 1 Corinthians 6 (KJV)

    9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

    10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    These 2 lost souls need to repent and follow the word of God

  39. 1 Corinthians 14 (KJV)

    34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

    35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

  40. 14:52 "and why do we even care what the Bible says, these stories from 1000's of years ago."

    That right there is enough to tell you who these people are… blasphemers !

  41. Who cares what the bible says about anything? This shows how behind you americans are compared to us europeans. Using the bible as a some kind of `reference point` is nuts.

  42. The bible doesn’t need to always be taken literal but if sins like homosexuality, murder, lying, etc isn’t taken literally you won’t enter the kingdom of god

  43. It takes very talented people to receive that amount of theological education (however useless it really is), attain such prestigious positions, and then blatantly lie and misconstrue the Bible's actual concerns with homosexuality, all while keeping a straight face. Props to our two speakers! It's not all too shocking why people can't take preachers, or most Christians seriously when it comes to this.

  44. Aren't you so called the people of God JUDGE others. I can never ask for prayer for myself because how you judge others. If you think I am wrong please let me know. I would walken it. I need to heal about my anger and depression about all the foreigners.

  45. The Bible is such a Pandora’s box. While I neither agree nor disagree with what was presented. It’s interesting how ppl cherry pick when ppl are false teachers and how & when having advanced degrees and experience provides credibility or no if the experienced person has beliefs that you agree or disagree with

  46. Wow…she is so wrong. When you take what the Bible has to say about homosexuality it is less than 1%…so she assumes it is not a priority. When God speaks clearly He doesn't need to use more space. Sad thing is this woman is not even a believer and she wants to tell us what the Bible says.

  47. We are all missing the forest for the trees. Why are we still applying a Bronze Age book, written by primitive people, to the modern world? Why are we bickering over an ancient text that is archaic and irrelevant? We only believe in Christ because Christians spread and forced their beliefs on every land they conquered in blood and violence. It’s time for everyone to wake up and understand that religion has no place in our world.

  48. This sounds good but it's not balanced. The two speakers are more for Homosexuality, than what the Bible says God Says it An ABOMINATION AND THAT IT…. AGAIN SOUNDS THEOLOGICAL BUT THEY'RE NOT SPEAKING THE TRUTH, OF THE WORD OF GOD. PERIOD. FALSE TEACHING DRAMATIZE…

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